oooh thats weird...

my friends all do the yusuf islam!!!

no not one... not two... no three... nope! four friends pulled a cat stevens!


oh baby baby it IS a wild world
and I am a sad lisa sometimes,

but my question here is:

am I (and those friends!!!!) being followed by a moonshadow?

 

okay, half of that i didnt really understand except for the song names
yay for cat stevens!

 

okay well,
cat stevens converted to the islam, and his name is yusuf islam now
those friends of mine chose a religion they are not brought up with and converted
to that other religion.
so 'they pulled a cat stevens'
do you guys have friends that are doing that too?
is this something that happens more often these days?

(i'm not being disrespectful here, i really admire yusuf islam, and my friends for taking that step)

 

my friend went buddhist.. after being raised christian.. and then being atheist for awhile.. but then he finally settled on buddhism and yay for cat stevens

 

I did

'Cept i didn't get pulled out to sea and pray to God and tell Him that I'd devot my life to him if He saved me...

he sleeps alone in the damp, and rests his head upon the floor

 

*is gonna be very honest now*

i kinda almost pulled secret cat stevens.
well, i might.
i don't have enough information, too many doubts,
too little people to talk to about this, cuz not many people know alot about it.
sufism.
well, shu'em.
sufi-shamanism.
with a teacher and all.
lived in a shu'em community for three months.



oh and burby,
how do your parents/friends etc
feel about it?

 

That was hillarious since cat stevens is the guy who told me what islam is.

 

If I was going to join an abrahamic religioun i'd be islam. Islam is cool because it says you can't pursue god in ignorance (I love that, too bad christians don't believe that).

I'm not for the hurting myself or not eating or whatever else is involved though, but most of the philosophical things I agree with, about 75% anyway.

 

Nobody I know has pulled a cat stevens.

 

islam is okay to me. well most of it.
there's a few things, that are not small things though, in which i disagree.
though sufism, mystic islam, is more my way.
i studied a (small) part of sufism, in a way in which it's mixed with european shamanism.
i like the idea of Love (not allah or god or uncle ernie)

 

Whats love?

 

smartass
ofcourse it's what we can see from 'god' or is 'god'.
just the word 'god' doesn't appeal to me.
in sufism god is love and truth. omnipresent.
and 'god' can be seen the way you can see it in shamanism
(god being everything the good and the bad all the same)

 

Can't people be loving, truthful, virtuous good people and not be religious?

 

isn't "sufi-shamanism" hmm
doesn't that have something to do with getting together and cutting yourself and it not hurting?
lol, i'm obviously not an islamic scholar
but i think i saw something along those lines of national geographic
and if i were to convert to any religion
it'd be national-geographicism

 

yes they can.

but what helps, for your own growth on your own path,
is hard to reach by yourself.
structure of religion, rituals with groups within that religion
can be of help. it can keep you on your way.
it can show you possibility's, it can point you in the right direction.

i thought i reached a point in my life, within shamanism,
of being really good with it, of some sort of enlightend kind of feeling.
but that was my perception of it.
i found a teacher, he guids me in this world, teaches me things.
he opened up alot of roads for me that i wouldn't have seen if
i kept going on in my little world of what love and shamanism and the truth is. to be around him, and other students, and to talk about this, having the structure from the rituals we did, that is what showed me other possibilities

 

huh?!

LOL LOL

sufi-shamanism
well hunny,
i can cut myself without it hurting.
i walked on hot coals, yes.
but that is something that you can do with it
and something you do because of it.
it is about body mind soul and spirit
a way of perception
about love
about trying to let go of the perception of having control over your life
to let go.
it is the 'let it be' way of life.

www.shuemamsterdam.nl

(click on 'english')

 

Yea see I'm not for that stuff. I don't care how much it doesn't hurt or whatever.

 

hehe, so i was right?
see, national-geographicism is the way to go
all hail the editors!

 

no one said you should.
its pretty dumb to cut yourself
but its not about hurting yourself
( i never been told to do so or something never ever ever)
it is about letting go of your perception of things
about the boundaries you give yourself
about the things that are possible.
that is the reason why some weird ass tribes say :hey look i can push this log through my nose and it don't hurt

but that is just a stupid thing to do.

it does show, they are free of the boundaries and rules of what is possible to do

 

that makes sense to me
though it just seems like mind over matter
which i guess is what it is
with a more spiritual sense to it