Obama if wanted to be taken seriously..

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gardener, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Instead of talking about religion he should be talking about possible war with Iran and preventing it. Seriously, and like he's studied the topic.

    He's jumped ship on two churches now, because of statements by ministers and priests. I don't care what church he attends, but I don't want war with Iran. I'd rather hear him talk about real political issues, than stuff he really can't control for me in my personal life. He can possibly stop an escalation of this war, but not if he's not even focussed on it.
     
  2. forrealz

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    Also if he wanted to be taken seriously maybe he would talk about deporting illegal aliens and harsh punishment for people that hire or assist them.He claims he's against wealthy big business interests,well wealthy big businesses love illegals.
     
  3. profezzor_x

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    He'll be making a trip to Iraq soon, and that's all he needs to be involved with for the moment. As far as he stands, Obama has made it perfectly clear on numberous occasions that he would rather handle things the diplomatic way, rather than sending troops now, and asking questions later... Which is a lot more intelligent that intimidating them with military force.

    I swear, there are just too many narrow minded people in the country that are bent on making war their top priority for this country, when there are so many other things in this country that are much more important.
     
  4. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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  5. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I want to know how this is being spent before I want to revisit faith based inniatives.
     
  6. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I'd rather he kept his butt home and found out about what's being voted on while he campaigns. McCain must of struck a nerve. Obama better face up, he'll never be a prisoner of war or an admiral's kid, he better learn to fight the good fight, instead of a spitting contest.

    He's never taken military force off the table. Seems he likes to keep all his campaign fund options open.

    When you look at the expense of this war to the taxpayers of the US, and it's impact on your economy and lives there is no more important issue.

    Everything happening in this country right now has been impacted by it and will remain impacted by it for quite a while. To say it's not an issue is to prove to me that you have no idea what the true issues are.

    Maybe you could outline what is important?
     
  7. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    If you want to know where Obama really stands on the war (and foreign policy in general), just look at some of his advisors.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIPNBJeXirI

    The problem with Obama's crowd is that they're sheep. They listen to everything the guy says and believe it because it sounds good to them. They know nothing about his advisors or about anything having to do with actual policy matters.

    Obama can continue to rehash words like "diplomacy" and "peace," and the average person will believe it without question because it's what they want to hear, regardless if it's complete bullshit or not.
     
  8. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Doing a canned visit of Iraq doesn't impress me with either candidate. Much as Bush's Thanksgiving visits haven't impressed me. At the time he visited Iraq, KBR was feeding our troops cold sandwiches and overcharging the American taxpayers. But you never heard about that on the nightly news or from your congressman. Photo-ops don't impress me. And Obama can't ever live up to the prisoner of war pictures McCain has in his album. He shouldn't fall for the trap, this is just an indication that he's only playing a game.

    http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0427-12.htm



     
  9. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    You know at 4.00 per gallon, that's 100 million gallons of gas, probably that many gallons of milk with a federal discount. A lot of other things we could have bought with that money, besides destabilizing the world and it's markets even further.
     
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    gardener Realistic Humanist

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  11. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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  12. memo

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    Nail on the head.
     
  13. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Yeah, I remember reading that last year.

    How much did that cost US taypayers? And is anyone making sure we get some sort or return on our investment. Afterall this is a market driven society. If I am going to invest I want to see a return. And we are spending taxpayer dollars letting Iran's bypass their national security internet censorship...how much have we spent locking down our freedoms in this country under the Patriot Act? while we are trying to finess confessions out people that accept foreign assistance in bypassing their own government.
     
  14. profezzor_x

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    1) Jobs for unemployed (and legal) Americans
    2) Lowering fuel costs
    3) Handling states currently in "State of Emergency"
    4) Solving the west coast water droughts
    5) Rebuilding and boosting the economy
    6) Eliminate the layers of unnecessary government
    7) Revise goverment funded programs like WIC
    8) Investing in research for alternative fuels
    9) Reducing taxes for the working class
    10) IMPROVING RELATIONS WITH OTHER COUNTRIES
     
  15. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    But that's not even the crux of the matter. The people are being told that these wars are to stop terrorism, yet the US is funding terrorist cells to destabilize Iran.
     
  16. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    First (04) being a horti, governments can't regulate natural droughts. Only Mother Nature can. If it's a free market capitalist society then those industries impacted should plan and be prepared to live with Mother Nature's vagaries.

    Everything and probably this issue have all been budgetarily impacted by this war. Without it with the economy we had before it was started these would be small problems right now.

    You want to cut WIC? The Women Infants and Children program that supplies formula and the dietary needs of poor women and children? You have somewhere else you want to spend those funds?

    Before this war, the world was behind the US, Bush/Cheney made enemies out of many in the world including past friends, like France. They couldn't seem to get enough of French bashing. And now no one trusts us. This was a direct result of the war.

    Without this war everyone but the military industrial complex would see a boost. And corrupt independent contractors would no longer comandant our armed services.
     
  17. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I agree, that's exactly what we are funding.
     
  18. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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  19. gardener

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    I am waiting for the video. But I remember the print stories on that. Seemed not many were interested in following the money. I wonder what Obama has to say about it?

    At 8,000.00 per person that's 2,000 gallons of gas per person even children, that's a lot of gas for your mini-vans that's just gone missing.

    You have to wonder who's fueling up their towncars and Humvies for free while we ask poor women and kids to forego their formula, cheese and milk. You are going to have really document your case against WIC, with WIC coupons the poor can only buy certain things, but with stolen taxpayer dollars the rich can buy whatever they like.
     
  20. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    As for jobs for the unemployed if we didn't protect multinational corporations from litigation our jobs wouldn't have gone oversease.

    But you all think the MacDonald's coffee story relates about unreasonable lawsuits. What most of you don't know and never bothered to read about is that MacDonald's had been warned their coffee was too hot. They weren't the poor little company put upon by unreasonable litigation, they were held accountable, but we've now allowed legislation to make it almost impossible for the little person to sue, and what's happened they've still taken their jobs overseas because they don't have to pay a living wage, and no one can sue them now...so who won.
     

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