Need some help finding something out

Ok so one night, I was spendin time with my gfs stepdad, you know couple beers here couple doobs there . And we came onto the discussion of god/the davinci code etc; and the topic of churches came up and he told me in the bible it says "thou shalt not build temples in worship of me". Now I dunno whre in the bible this is located in. Also Id like to know about peoples opinions on mary mandelin(sry if I spelled it wrong) but after watching the movie I got really interested, like the last supper, apperantly thats mary mandelin beside him, and she apperantly gave birth to his daughter sometime after his crusifiction, also wanna hear your opinions on sellebesy, and the topic of mary mandelin supposed to be the first person to start a church, not peter. I dunno this stuff has me really interested. I mean, who is to say sex is wrong? And who is to say jesus never had it, after all he was a human being at the time like everyone else, with the same temptations as everyone else, and I still believe it would not of been a sin for him to have kids.

 

aawww come on, post some opinions.

 

Cant have an open mind? Im christian , read the bible and have had first communion and I have an open mind, or what your too good to answer this thread or something?

 

I dunno about mary magdelin having his kid. It might be in the 'lost gospels' or 'dead sea scrolls' . I think one person who sent out 'gods word' to others . decided that he would not send certain parts of 'gods word'. Either believe in what i send or don't believe in any of it. Thats when it got complicated, he effectively edited 'gods word' to suit his own prejudices. I can't remember the blokes name. Ofcourse jesus having a kid by a whore [or whatever you believe she was].. was not going to be going down well in certain sections .. so vast swathes were removed.

Maybe the world would be a differing place, if all the gospels were intact. Maybe christianity would have died on its ass. i dunno. I like the thought of jesus being a bloke who had sex and had a kid.

The supposed female beside jesus .. is a myth generated a while ago. It was not the intention of the artist. just crazy people seing shadows, and over analysing a picture.

imho the davinci code just gathered crackpot ideas and put them all in one place.

065:022, They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: ... shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD

http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/relg/bible/KingJamesBible23-Isaiah/chap7.html

Thats all i could find i'm afraid...make of it what you wish. I've interpreted it wrongly i imagine. Just like all the rest of the bible can be interpreted in many differing way. I'm sure some person has interpreted something that makes the point you raised. i just think unless you are very well versed, it is a difficult thing to find.

http://www.visiontv.ca/NakedArchaeologist/resources.htm

 

Thanks for the info , As for jesus "wife" being a whore I dunno man, I know it says that but I think they put it there cuz alot of generations of priests might get prityt mad finding out that they could of married when they didnt. I cant say for sure that is true because I am not gods messenger, nor am I very educated at all lol. I jus read gods judgement against the nations in Isiah 34 I believe. read a bit and all I can say to myself is I think were pritty close to our day of judgement. closer than some people might assume . But in my opinion humans do nothing but destroy so I think the world is better off without us.

 

There's nothing in the bible for celibacy. In fact, Mary (Jesus' mother) wasn't even a virgin when she gave birth. That misunderstanding came when the bible was translated from Greek to Latin. The greek word (I forgot what it was) for "young woman" was translated as "virgin" in Latin.
Jesus never even founded a church, Paul did (with a little help later from Constantine). Jesus does talk about sexual morality, of course, and he suggests that it's better to not have sex at all than commit a sexual sin, but that does not mean that in order to be a person of god one has to be celibate.

-Kate

 

which is a pity when you think about it, as if it were so, chritianity would presumably have died out a couple of thousand years ago and we'd be free from this illogical nonsense.

 

I like Mary Mandelin - the banjo player from Nazareth who gave birth to Judas christ

 

one of the ten commandments says somthing to that effect, you know, the whole thou shalt now have any other idols before me.

"You shall not make for yourself an image, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth"

were i a christian id interpret temples an image in the form of heaven above. also ones pre-concieved notions about what or who god is...ones mental picture of god... the preachers understanding of god, all images of heaven above. so basically what i get from that commandment is god saying somthing like..."dont kid yourself, because im an more than you can comprehend, and any man who believes they know me has become stagnant in his spiritual growth, and is robbing himself of learning more about infinity/god/the unknowable." also i think it can be dangerous to view the sacred in the form of idols and temples because from that angle one views the sacred as being outside of oneself, disconnected, but "god" only exists in the realm of immediate expirience...god only exists in ones heart.

also, is jesus christ not a symbol for christianity? is jesus not an image of the heavens above in the minds of many? an idol even??? it can be dangerous subscribing to dogma....religion could be likened to spiritual kindergarten

 

religion carries on a story , it preserves and conserves a few precious bits of mindlight . this is ok . the story is something to talk about , it's mostly language tho people can get into mental trouble when words control their identity . many religious people get along in this world just fine with an ok perspective and simply say i love you .

 

It's not wrong for a man to get married and have a kid. What does it matter if Jesus did?

Don't take the Bible out of context. Read it, understand it, and then go ahead and criticize it.

 

Weedman

Jesus shat and pissed by the side of the road
He pulled a few chicks in his time
He choked the chicken like any other guy.
He got pissed.

Any fool who says he did not is just that, a fool.

Christianity is not about jesus , they just stole his name.
The HUMUNGOUS EDIFICE called christianity
has NOTHING to do with jesus the man. And he WAS just a man.

Occam

 

The Bible tells us there is no other name given unto men but the name Jesus Christ which will save us from sin. Jesus fulfilled the 300 prophecies of the Old Testament. Jesus Christ was fortold, and is the pillar that the Christian faith is built on, only a fool would think other wise.

 

There is nothing in Scripture that would suggest that Jesus was ever married. Why would you try and believe in something without any supporting evidence?
I agree with you, we should not take the Bible out of context, and I also believe we should not make up stories that donot exist.

 

Campbell, fools are the ones who close their eyes and minds to everything that they don't agree with.
Why would you even think of using that word. Is everyone who disagrees with you a fool? Maybe you could try having a conversation without desending into insults.

 

I used the word fool in responce to the post that was directed at me. I BORROWED their use of that word to show equal conviction of what I believed based on the evidence that was written in the Scriptures. The point is, I'm not the principal one they disagree with. It is really the Bible that is in question here, not me.

 

In regard to the possibility of Jesus having been married, and discounting the DaVinci Code and similar fiction, it's plausible for the following reasons:


-There's no "accepted" or canonical record, scriptural or otherwise, of Jesus's life between the ages of twelve and thirty.

-Jesus lived in an era and location in which full adulthood for men was reached at the age of eighteen or younger, and girls were married in their mid teens. A couple could have two or three children by the time they were twenty, infant mortality rates were very high, and the death of women in childbirth was commonplace. Forty was an average lifespan, fifty quite elderly.

With this is mind, it's entirely possible that Jesus was working as an adult and married before the age of twenty, then losing his wife and a child during the birth process or to disease. He could have been a widower by twenty or so, thereafter deciding to devote himself fully to the spiritual life.

In any case, would having been married diminished Jesus in any way? In my view, no.

 

Hare Krishna !

Very truly said, thank you dear Spook.

It's even unfortunate to go into speculations. We are all full of guilts and faults and we try to judge the Lord. Sugar dolls trying to measure the depth of the ocean....ridiculous.

Lord Jesus is a purna avatar and there is no doubt about that. I have my own good reasons and understanding to believe so.

Love,

Kumar.

 

One can speculate many things, yet I believe we need to stick with the facts.
Before Christ came to earth He had already decided to devote Himself fully to His mission. Christ came to earth to die for the sins of the world, and that is what He did. Neither the prophecies or the historical accounts ever speak of Christ being married.