Most "relaxing" drug (see post for what that means)

So in an attempt to think up a poll that had not been done before, I thought I would do something lo-tech like "most [insert broad spectrum emotion] drug".

Then I thought: "You know what? Relaxing is a word with lots of interpretations, so that might make a fun poll." Indeed, one person's idea of relaxing might be the next person's idea of boring.

So when answering this poll, and ultimately responding to this post, just think of the single drug that has the best ability to put you into a "relaxed" state, knowing that the definition of "relaxed" is vague. Perhaps if you are narrowing-down you choices, think of the drug that most effectively can bring you from a state of total "un-relaxation" to total "relaxation." I think that will be the key mental question to ask yourself.

 

Xanax would relax me pretty well.

 

Pot is my favorite for relaxing or just about anything else for that matter. But sometimes shrooms can make me feel really relaxed depending on the amount eaten. Should also mention Vs, their pretty relaxing too.:chillpill:

 

Pot makes me relax more than anything else.

 

For myself, here is how I would rank the things in my poll options in terms of relaxing-ness:

Opioid Narcotics > Cannabis > Depressants > Classical Psychedelics > Dopaminergic Stimulants > Tobacco > Ethanol

I cannot properly rate Serotonin-Releasers and Dissociatives as I don't have much experience with those classes. 4-FA, which I have done about 20 times (for a stretch about a year ago), releases Serotonin nearly as well as Dopamine, and IMO had a distinct "feel" about it, completely unlike amphetamine. And I do recall it being rather relaxing, in an active-sort-of-way. I really should not have listed it under Dopaminergic Stimulants, but oh well.

As for dissociatives, I experimented twice with Dextromethorphan about five years ago. While somewhat relaxing (I took around 200 mg each time), it also had a very unsettling feeling and the body load was more akin to feeling incredibly ILL.

 

Intramusclar Ketamine

 

To continue on about Serotonin-Releasing agents, here are some values I calculated which indicate how many times greater affinity for releasing Dopamine substance x has compared with substance x's affinity for releasing Serotonin:

- Dextroamphetamine: 71.2
- 4-Fluoroamphetamine: 18.2
- BZP (anyone try this stuff?) : 34.6
- Phentermine (diet pill): 13.4
- 4-Methylamphetamine (has anyone tried this?) : 1.21
- MDMA: 0.25 (that is, 4 times greater affinity for releasing Serotonin over Dopamine)
- MDA (metabolite of MDMA and drug in its own right): 0.84

I would be curious to hear if anyone has tried any of these besides amphetamine and MDMA.

 

ativan for me. weed can sometimes make it worse if i'm anxious (especially if it's a sativa). mdma is pretty awesome as well, but it's more of a stimulated relaxed state, if that makes sense.

 

I'm the sole vote for tobacco so far.

I don't smoke cigarettes. Cigars and pipes are special occasion type things for me. But I tell you what, after a long day, a fat cigar calms me down real nice.

 

opiates for me then alcohol, then weed. i love ma opiates!

 

Weed, with opiates a clear second.

A good opiate high can be more relaxing than weed, but not as consistently. I get flushed and occasionally nauseous from opiates, with weed I do not experience a single negative effect apart from getting really sleepy when I've had too much.. Mixing the two is great for relaxation though.

Psychedelics are definitely not very relaxing for me, and I don't do any other drugs any more, apart from MDMA once or twice a year for a party.

 

Interesting. I am the opposite when it comes to opioids vs. Cannabis. I have only had a small handful of non-euphoric, relaxing opioid experiences, but with Cannabis it seems to be hit-or-miss. But a big part of that IMO is that people like Sativa-heavy weed and I don't...I prefer the stony, dreamy high of the Indica.

 

Don't get me wrong, my opiate experiences are usually very relaxing and euphoric, but sometimes they are a bit uncomfortable, whereas with weed it is consistently very relaxing. I almost never smoke sativa any more.

 

yeah i perfer indica every way it finish,s growing weeks faster, the buzz, and the taste. perfer me. with most Sativa-heavy weed it just kicks in my paranioa shit. but i,ll still smoke it, and then let someone else go in the store lol.

with just opiates i almost like going out and talking to people.

 

I've tried MDA, 4fa and I'm pretty certain BZP in an Ecstasy pill but I'm not sure if it was the only psychoactive chem in the pills.

 

Again, guerilla, and I apologize for asking this annoying question once again, I ask this:

Since I have not consumed a proper "empathogen/enactogen" and thus don't know of the unique effects of this class of drug, could you be so kind as to create for me a "portrait" of something like MDMA. But paint the portrait with colors that I am already familiar with (ie: drugs you know I have taken, which is plenty of them...) and allow my imagination to fill in the gaps for the experiences that cannot be put into English-Language phrases or words.


Thanks. I really am quite open to trying MDMA and I really find it almost humorous that I have taken some of the shit that I have and still not have tried MDMA. In all honesty, if a friend of mine has a connection in the near future, I would make sure to pounce on the opportunity. And the new friends my one best friend has started to hang with seem to be rather open about "mind-expanding" type drugs like psychedelics, so perhaps I will luck out!

It just seems to me, that the general list of effects for MDMA literally seems "too good to be true". So please help me understand something better for which I do not understand. I have always counted on you to help me bridge that gap between pharmacology and subjective experience.

 

MDMA is an empathogen so really that makes the people and environment you surround yourself with maybe as important as the basic effects. MDMA really breaks down my social barriers unlike anything else I've ever experienced. For instance, I used to go out to social environments and drink alcohol and I felt maybe slightly disinhibited but usually still had sort of a ego guard up, maybe even ego boosted and overconfident and I never really found it that great of a social drug for me. On MDMA, I feel disinhibited and confident but usually it's sort of ego softening, you really try and find the common ground more with those you interact with whether they be friends or aquaintances. It can be kind of relaxing for an amphetamine in a low key enviornment.

In an environment like a rave and/or a higher dose you'll more likely get heavier psychedelic effects from MDMA, like lights trailing, auras surrounding people/things, going into a trance, a heavy sense of interconnectedness with those around you and the settings, and often a psychedelic perception of your body that makes many want to dance and/or engage in touching, the perception of touch is radically different than that of dopamenergic amphetamines. Touch feels pretty psychedelic even on occasion prompting subtle closed eye visuals and open eyed alteration to your vision usually kind of a liquidy blurring type effect and touch is also much fuller feeling than most psychedelics as well, like for example something simple like getting your ears touched can feel orgasmic.

It has a sense of immeadiacy of stimulants, thoughts just cascade from one thought to the next, however it lacks the focus of dopamenergic stims in lieu of a more inquistively idealistic mindset like Hallucinogens but the headspace is less fluctuating than other psychedelics and usually mostly positively oriented. I have heard even distant comparisons to opiates. Generally a very euphoric, content, happy headspace.


Though the peak really can have a "Too good to be true" feeling sometimes, the crash can remind you that it was "Too good to be true" sometimes. You can get a positive afterglow coming down or just a somewhat easy return to sobriety but when you crash it can feel as if your emotions are on a free fall and you can sort of have that guard come back up rather rapidly and just a sense of loss of something and irritability. So you got to realize the comedown is an inevitable part of the experience, even if you don't experience it say the first time. I'm sure you are familiar with some comedowns though so you may fair better than some would. I think the comedown has the potential for some good therapeutic work to take place but highly unlikely in a recreational context.

I don't want to take your thread off on a tangent but since I've discussed all this here, I'll mention that I've read you mention about issues with approaching people (females in particular) and touch and I think MDMA could be of benefit for you in that arena, if you could take it with someone else or a few other people maybe, it may not fully fix those issues but I think it could help a bit. Maybe you can even find a rave and enjoy some exercising too

 

@GUERILLA:

Thank you very much for the informative and thoughtfully individualized response you gave me. I was hoping that overnight (when I wasn't on HipForums) that you might have responded.

I think you give a very "grasp-able" idea of what MDMA is like. I think that you describe it for me in such a way that literally the only way I could learn more is to try it myself. I think that my experience with a wide range of substances certainly gets "ideas" flowing around of what this unique class of psychoactives "could" be like. But just like when I first took 2C-I, it will be a very big surprise.

You are correct that the drug has theoretical potential to help me better empathize and socialize with people. Right now, when I socialize, I tend to stick to, for lack of a better term, a low-dose "speed-ball" of small amounts of Suboxone mixed with periodic insufflations of Adderall. And, at times I do have an incredible connection to people, but more often than not, I am just running my mouth AT people. It would be an interesting drug to try.

I will try to talk to my one friend that I mentioned above about it and see if he can help me out. After all, I have "assisted" him in "procuring" certain things before...

Well, thanks for the interesting post and the excitement that there still IS a lot of drug-frontier that I can still explore.


So I guess back to the original question I asked: What's the MOST relaxing drug?

 

benzos. prescribed clonazepam but favorite id say is diazepam

 

probably cannabis for me. as for uber relaxed yet maybe a little uncomfortable, IV ketamine.