Modern shaman Peter Aziz, burned @ the stake

"A self-styled shaman who brewed a drink containing a Class A drug for ritual healing ceremonies has been jailed for 15 months at Bristol Crown Court."

The unedited video was unbelievable, the original news report was full of misinformation, twisted truths and right in your face lies. The first 30 seconds of the video set the whole tone, they totally demonized Ayahusca unbelievable.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-14762782

 

Things like that make me fucking angry. Its not a judge's job to pass their idea of morality onto people or to define right and wrong.

And yeah, that video was a biased piece of shit. Did you notice how they cut it off right after he said "the spirits attack the cancer cells"...of course anyone unfamiliar with DMT is going to write him off as a crazy nutter after hearing that.

 

Sounds like ayahuasca. The vomiting is part of one of the effects and is actually used to purge the body of harmful stuff. I'm sure the patients were aware of what they're taking.

Uhuh, yeah, you'd rather be feeding patients with pharmaceutical crap instead, wouldn't you Dr.?

And as for the police chief who said "It's in the same category as heroin and cocaine"-*facepalm* Seriously, this shit's getting old. Enough said.

I actually hope this encourages more people to use DMT. In fact, they failed to mention in the entire article that the chemical that causes us to dream is, in fact, DMT. Or at least a chemical very, very close to it.

Yeah, what the judge said was crap. The guy KNEW he was doing the right thing. I've read that native tribes have little trouble with mental problems due to their use of ayahuasca rather than "modern medicine". So it must apply to other aspects of health as well.

I hope we get Ron Paul as president to end the drug war in the U.S. Then maybe other countries will follow if America sets a precedent. I remember reading an article about a guy being fired from the UK drug board because of wanting to reclassify cannabis and psychedelics.

 

in medicine : its takes body, mind and spirit to heal...

 

It's just strange how people have such a problem with mind-altering substances if they're soft drugs. If anything, the fact they're soft drugs should be a reason to want to use them and explore things.

 

The fact that everyone is just fine with taking pills that cause terrible side effects and will basically serve as guinea pigs for new drugs, yet demonize things like this is so disturbing to me.

 

Guy puts the word out enough to collect 20 people. This to me means that 300 people must have heard the word, in order for him to get 20 people who are willing to pay 100 pounds each. What's that? Something like $180. each US?

Is anyone surprised that a cop showed up?

Guy sold drugs and made 2,000 pounds. Or $3,600 US. Shaman would heal people for free. People might show their gratitude later after they were healed.
In the mid-'60s when they first made LSD, it was free. People were able to give it away.

So, I'm surprised that he didn't get at least a year for practicing medicine without a license. And then there is 20 counts of fraud. Give me your money and I'll Cure your cancer. Defrauding desperate poor people.

Why would anyone make drugs that are illegal and then run around announcing it all to straight people???

Front page news on Stupid.com.

Unbelievable. Just my two cents.

Also,
I believe in what orison319 said.

 

"It's in the same category as heroin and cocaine," he said.

on even the most basic level (classification of controled substances) it is not in the same category

neither are heroin and cocaine

 

Yeah, if you're going to deal drugs, then deal drugs. Drop the shaman hippie babble BS.

And lol @ people paying $180 for something that costs $5-10 per dose to make at home.

 

The thread title was misleading.. LOL!

 

Bit rich to say it cured cancer though wasn't it. Charlatons like that should be locked up.

If he was true to his beliefs he wouldn't have been charging £100 a pop either.

 

Here in the UK they are all class A drugs.

 

Yeah, I was expecting a bit more.

 

realistically, you have to make a living to be in this culture... and, let's face it, this culture needs ayahuasca BIG TIME!!! as long as he knows what he is doing then good on him... the surroundings could be better tho, given that he seems to be earning so much...

regarding a quote on the BBC page:
"Speaking after the trial, Det Ch Insp Phillip Jones, from Avon and Somerset Police, said DMT was a "dangerous drug" and a "Class A drug for a reason"."

i would LOVE to hear the "reason" for ayahuasca being an illegal drug... backed up by proper clinical evidence ofcourse...

they will always demonise this beautiful gift, because it brings a light of truth to all who visit, that is just a tad bright for our present system...

 

drug crimes are crimes with no victim. drug crimes punish the mere fact of disobedience- they do not require the presence of someone claiming damage from them, except of course the widespread social damage represented by fueling a criminal economy, but this is an inane argument since it is prohibitionism itself which generates the black market, the demand is already present before prohibitionism so war on drugs GENERATES crime rather than eliminating it.
but if the matter , like this case, is a rare drug with no market, used only by a handful of people with religious or philosophical beliefs, anti drugs laws assume the even creepier vest of laws against free thought , freedom of choosing one's own lifestyle and set of beliefs. who can stand up and throw the first stone ? who can dare to adfirm: «your beliefs are wrong and harmful so they're forbidden by law» ? ok, i do firmly believe that catholicism (to name one) is a false set of beliefs seriously detrimental to mental health , free thought and political freedom in general. also its rites involve the use of wine, once banned in some countries. i'd never think to ban it just for this, this would make a lousy fascist of me. we know that most if not all religions have to be false and their teachings are often very questionable , yet banning a religion is considered an extreme act of oppression. before my eyes religion is just another lifestyle just like being vegan, or pacifist or believing in the existence of the UFO. drugs can harm your health, ok; along with excessive work, booze, marriage, TV, junk food , cars, tobacco, pollution, many prescription drugs, food preservatives, news channels and war. none of these things is forbidden though.

so i believe that this guy is a victim of a persecution , he was sentenced for an opinion crime , a political crime intended in the narrower sense, a perfectly political crime, just plain that. he is guilty of thinking for himself. he never poised a menace for anyone except his own health but so what ? on this basis, we should ban all kinds of dangerous and unnecessary activities, like, say, mountain free climbing or parachute diving, boxing, smoking, deep sea free diving, cosmetic surgery, fire walking, etc... drugs look like a petty argument but they do represent a real proof bench for freedoms. there is a man deciding what oyu're allowed to do, what kind of risks you may take and what things are forbidden, and the choice is arbitrary and unappellable. this does not smell like democracy or freedom or pursuit for happiness or no one else of the values our societies are said to stand for.

and you thought 'twas all about junkies and thugs, huh mrs jones ?

 

i thought it was a joan of arc thing. damn. no joy.

yay, Ron Paul.

in this case, though, the ama would still try to bust the guy for doing medicine without a license, i suppose.

 

me too..I expected to see a burning and all i see is jail time...i cant stand misleading titles like this one

 

Don't be silly.

Of course nobody should be locked up for saying anything, OR for selling anything.

That doesn't make him a nice guy (maybe, I don't know, though, and you don't know his situation or thoughts either) but he still shouldn't be locked up for it. The fact that there isn't enough awareness of DMT that these people would take it themselves is the crime.

Will watch the video in a bit, though.

 

religious leaders play this game all the time, and take part in even more noxious activities. some religions like the catholic church live like parasites of the nation hosting them. yet no one seriously thinks to jail all of them and brick up the door. discerning a pope from a fortune teller is an intellectually deceitful operation since both tell things that cannot be checked, both take advantage of people's fears, tears, anguishes, both charge. having been on the market since a long time does not turn a swindler into an honourable man. people want to be deceived, they crave for a good huckster , i don't see why those morons listening to the pope deserve respect while the disciples of this guy need protection by law against him.

 

Nicely said.