Minutemen and Mexicans

The 'minutemen' project is already branching out across several other areas of the southern borders.

http://www.alternet.org/rights/21774/

Excerpt from the article about the Minutemen

Cochise County, AZ is evidence of how illegal immigration is crippling the United States at the very same time it seems to benefit. The intense enforcement effort concentrated on the California and Texas borders has shifted migrant flow into Arizona, and the Tucson sector has bore the brunt of that redirected stream. In 2004, approximately 350,000 migrants were caught along the Arizona border, almost half of these apprehensions occurring within this county. This status sits uneasily with locals here. In the wake of streaming migrants and smugglers comes littered belongings, damaged property, strained social services, an enforcement presence and a violent edge. It's a reality that local resident May Kolbe calls "living in a war zone."

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Hundreds of volunteers from across the nation heeded a call put out over the internet by a loosely organized coalition of immigration activists to join a grassroots gathering that would spend the month of April here, patrolling a 23-mile stretch along the nation's most penetrated section of border. The volunteers, calling themselves the Minutemen-- after the Massachusetts colony militia who were the first to arrive at a battlefield -- were retired military, teachers, and construction workers who brought a modest air force, communications equipment, guns, lawn chairs and sunscreen to perform "the job the government won't do."

Not easy to typecast, the volunteers who descended on the desert represented a spectrum of backgrounds and views -- moderate to extreme -- but united by a core sentiment. They're indignant at an illegal invasion that sees immigrants, drug smugglers and possible terrorists streaming across a porous and undefended border, unchecked, by the thousands. Many are "Pat Buchanan Republicans" who feel "Bushwacked" by a president who looks the other way to the problem while lining his political pockets with the support of employers who profit off the exploitation of cheap labor. They see a corrupt, Mexican government flagrantly assisting the illegal flow, washing its hands free of impoverishment while collecting remittances from migrant workers who send back their wages in amounts that have now surpassed domestic oil revenues. And they arrived out of concern for the changes in their communities, the violence they feel is a byproduct of impoverished immigrants seeking economic opportunism and the demographic changes they view as threatening the American way of life.

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Good for the Minutemen. They're doing the job our idiot president refuses to do.

Anyone who supports open borders while opposing the Patriot Act is a hypocrite. That's because our rights are being taken away in the name of "security", while almost anybody (not just Mexicans) can enter the country without being screened, including al-CIAda.

 

If the border patrol won't do it, someone has to. If this unrestricted illegal immigration keeps up, they are going to have serious problems in the border states. Right now, the minutemen are pretty benign. Soon, people may start not only keeping arms, but bearing and using them against these invaders, and possbly against the government. Wars have been fought over less. The government and both parties refuse to act. Rice and Bush called these patriots "vigilantes". If you ask me, bush, rice and the whole lot are "traitors". They refuse to uphold their oaths, they refuse to defend this country from all enemies, and they may as well rip up the Constitution for as much as they respect it. I just wonder which puppets are going to run on '08.

 

Yeah, I agree with the scenario towards real violence breaking out if nothings done. But, it makes one wonder in a quiet way if somebodies not just kicking back and waiting for it to happen. If the shit hits the fan for real, what better reason to initiate drastic measures of 'security' not only against immigrants but against US citizens as well. Real violence breaks out, a riot at the US border and a state of emergency can be declared. Certain provisions in legislation can be enacted in a 'state of emergency'. We know how this works already. Stir the pot, come to the rescue. d/k on my tangent there but really the whole thing smells like fish.

... and just out of curiosity anyone know of the origins of La Voz de Aztlan...
took the time to look at it based on a comment from the article. Their article about impending civil war is filled with rhetoric towards the very same violent ends talked about here.

 

Ive heard alot of horror stories bout these "MinuteMen", that they beat, and torture and rape some of the immigrants.....Just wondering if you heard anything like this?

 

I've heard none of those reports, yes some of them are armed, but what they themself normally don't actually catch the mexicans, they spot them, call the border patrol, and track them until they are picked up by the authorties.

 

I haven't heard that either. And if that is true, which I don't think it is, it is an isolated incident and does not represent the Minuteman Project. The large majority of people involved with this are law-abiding citizens, who believe in a non-violent approach to the situation -- a situation that has gotten completely out of control under Bush.

I personally do not think any violence will arise from this. . . at least not from the Minutemen themselves.

 

I agree with you robo. However, we've always been able to pass freely to canada and mexico, so if we just up and close the borders, it's as if we have let the terrorists win. But if we don't do something, then the terrorists will win. There are middle eastern people going to mexico and changing their names to mexican names. They are even learning spanish to pass themselves off as mexicans. I have mixed feelings about this issue. It's a loose-loose situation.

 

Nope, I haven't even heard of them firing at the immigrants yet. Once they stop immigrants they usually just call border patroll and tell them where they are at. They are coming here to New Mexico.

Personally I think we should build a wall. A real wall, not a crappy barbwire fence.

 

You have no idea what you're even talking about. First off, closing the borders does not mean ending LEGAL immigration. I am 100% in support of LEGAL immigration. After all, this country was built by immigrants. All closing the borders means is securing them, so people can't just come and go as they please, without being documented. It has absolutely nothing to with "passing freely" to Canada and Mexico. Since when does passing freely mean entering illegally?

 

I should clarify my response about violence. I don't believe the minutemen (and women) will cause violence themselves. I also happen to agree with what they're doing. But, as read elswhere I agree that all it would take is one incident not caused by the minutemen yet spun to blame them that could cause further violence. Rapes, murders, beatings, lynchings of illegal immigrants are a part of the history of the southern border so there is no doubt that there are groups(individuals) out there capable of it and would love the opportunity to give it a shot and blame it on the minutemen. Which is another reason for tighter borders as well.

... and how the hell does that drivers license thing work? That blows my mind. How does someone who illegally entered the country get a damn drivers license?

 

TRUE. If a person wishes to come to the united states, there is a legal process they can follow. And in the age we are living in, with all of the terrorism and all, we need to close the borders. But me, being in texas, I think it sucks to have to pay to get a passport to cross over into mexico. But it is a price I am willing to pay to be safe.

 

Okay. I've been QUIET until now. I am AGAINST "Illegal" immigration.
But, I know ONE fact of why it happens. Since we're talking about Mexico.
In a town of 6 buildings, and a SMALL neighborhood, they DO NOT keep "Birth Records".
How can these people provide documents that never existed?

 

Immigrants are the ones commiting violence, there was a newsweek article recently about how drug lords are kidnapping Americans to strike fear in the hearts of thier enemies. Personally i think that if Mexico can't control this, we should. Teddy Roosevelt had the right idea about enforcing Latin America.

 

Records of violence come from both American and Mexican citizens over many years. The KKK has also kidnapped Mexicans to strike fear into the hearts of their enemies. This thing you speak of has little to do with the Minutemen project.

 

I feel sorry for the Mexicans.

There are lots of Central Americans in New Jersey.
They work then send thier money home.
They ride bicycles and buses not expensive cars.
They bunk-up in crowded apartments.
They seem gentle, hard working family people
Makes me appreciate my situation so when I hear someone complaining it sounds silly because we live in a paradise compared to some folks.
Don't think the issue is a presidential issue, the migrants just keep coming no matter who is president.
Yes they are breaking the law. I feel for them just the same.
Bush seems to be sounding out various ideas.
Its easy to bash the migrants.

 

Nobody is bashing the immigrants. I already said that I am in support of legal, documented immigration.

I think you are responding from a position that isn't really informed on the issue. You say it's easy to "bash" the immigrants. Well, I say it's also easy to think with your heart and not your head.

The fact is, the situation has gotten out of control under Bush, and is already leading to major problems in parts of the country. You say that America is a paradise compared to some countries, and you are right, it is. . . for now. But what you fail to realize is that flooding this country with illegal immigrants is the perfect way to destroy this country. It drives down the wages and lowers the living standard for average Americans, which I believe is exactly the plan by those in and above our government.

Take the fact that the dollar decreases in value more and more everyday as more and more American jobs are shipped overseas, coupled with unbelievable debt and deficit that just keeps getting worse and worse. All it could take is another major terrorist attack and things could completely fall apart economically in this country. We're talking about a depression that will make the depression of the 1930's look like a walk in the park. Economists are warning about this left and right. And this wouldn't be catastrophic only to America, but to the entire western world.

The direction America is heading is towards complete economic destruction. This will be required in order for the globalists to erode our borders completely and implement a world government and currency. What people are not understanding is that it appears there is an agenda by those high up to destroy this country, reducing us to second-class status.

And don't tell me all illegal immigrants come here to work. Many of them come here and commit crime, which has been a major problem near the border. People have been robbed at gunpoint, kidnapped, murdered, etc..

Also, keep in mind that Bush is destroying our freedoms in the name of security, yet he leaves the borders open to almost anyone who wants to enter, which isn't necessarily just Mexicans and South Americans, but people from anywhere in the world.

 

The minutemen project is a well organized group of people, many of which are former soldiers and police. the People have all undergone training and they are NOT to try to detain immigrants themselves. They spot the immigrants and call in their location to border patrol. There are quite a few watchdog groups out to observe, and if the minutemen were to do anything illegal, they probably wouldnt get away with it.

The minuteman project has significantly lowered the # of illegals crossing the Mexico/Arizona border, but that does not mean that illegal immigration has gone down overall...the immigrants are merely crossing the border in other states-where they know that there are no minutemen to find them. Vincente Fox has openly supported illegal immigration and has helped illegals get across the border. Ithe illegals are treated as heroes in mexico because of the monetary contributions they make to their country.

As for the vigilante thing, I have heard of none so far, except for Sgt. Patrick Haab. The local news media(and i imagine the national media as well) have been portraying this guy as a vigilante for detaining several illegals at a rest stop near the border. The news has also connected him with the Minuteman project, which is totally incorrect. Sgt. Haab was never a part of the project. Here is a link about Sgt. Haabs situation:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0413az-border-detention13-ON.html

 

... what terrorism? There hasn't been a "terrorist" attack on America since September 11, 2001.

 

See how easily the paradigm of "terrorists everywhere, be afraid" has ingrained itself successfully in the psyche of our nations media obsessed sheeple. Those regurgitating this admin contrived threat the loudest are indeed those who not only have likely never set foot outside our country (and no,trips to canada or mexico hardly count as worldly experience) but who also are least likely to ever experience any firsthand terrorist act of violence in their lifetime.

But it only need be broadcast ad nauseam on network television and the great myth (like that of the ever menacing Communist boogeyman we were raised to believe in throughout the Cold War) takes root and banishes all reasoned assessment of the real threats facing our nation from its own power abusing leadership.

*sigh*