Middle east ridiculousness

in the past:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/VISIE/interventielijst.html

here the banksters are in the game
http://www.puppet99.com/

 

Yeah and look what is happening to Julian Assange for embracing technology to help keep speech free.
Fuck the governments of this world, and all the people that are afraid of the truth.
I hope they tear shit up all over.

I do agree with you papa wolf, but your post made me think of Mr. Assange

 

To the OP

This is absolutely amazing not only is a who region on the verge of a revolution wave, this can have a profound impact on democracy in the region and of course education of women. Which more than anything I thing should be the two most important outcomes from reform in the middle east/ north africa. Though at the moment the pillars that will again hold up their governments is unknown but of they were every gonna take a shot towards democracy I think it should be now.

Also in my honest opinion would like to add that the revolts in the middle east could have positive effects on Islam extremist, who now will be changed by their fellow Muslims who believe in open thought and democratic rule. I guess we'll see, it's not totally certain that everything will work out for the best, but least the ball is rolling in the right direction.

 

Absolutely, a step in the right direction but a LONG way to go. It's a start but the battle isn't over once the dictator is toppled. There needs to be democracy with accountability to the people and improved education and quality of life before the real profound societal changes start to take effect.

I really think once there aren't so many stresses from the government people can really start to take hold of their country and make it significantly better. Nobody wants to live shit poor but if that's the only option that's what they will do. Let's face it despite the unsustainability these countries are more resource rich than a lot of "developed" countries so if wealth is handled and distributed properly there can really be a chance for rapid growth and change.

Who knows though, next guy in line could be just as corrupt as the last one.

 

This is probably the most defining moment(s) in history since the revolutions in Eastern Europe in 1989, amazing what one thing can set off. People seem really blase about it though, cause hey it's just more angry muslims again.

 

I remember someone mentioning earlier in this thread that we live in a global village, which is completely true. Thats why Im surprised noone is focusing on the larger picture here, namely that the conditions that caused these revolutions aren't endemic to the arab world. They are the same conditions, albeit in different cultural guises and issues, that are mobilizing people here in wisconsin and now growing to many more state capitals. We should be taking note of these brave fellow lovers of liberty and show our solidarity with them, as our federal govt certainly isn't. This thing is on the verge of transcending that region and spreading, connecting with other global epicentres of unrest around the world.

Also, there seems to be this misconception that the forces behind the revolt are dumb, ignorant tribesman who are being prodded by shadowy muslim extremists. This is totally ignoring the sizable proportion of young, educated Libyans who are finally standing up because they have no oppurtunities available and are fed up with it. Look at Egypt. For all the fearmongering about the Muslim Brotherhood playing a large part in the unrest, it was in the end the youth generation that, through facebook and other tools empowering the people, brought down Mubarak.

I am deff excited.

 

This is how a lot of first worlders generally view the rest of the world, there's Europe, America, Canada, Japan, Taiwan and such, and than there's just abject poverty. No in between what so ever.

 

Exactly... Sadly many 2nd and 3rd world countries have better education systems than many of these "developed" countries you mentioned.