message to all you heathens and pagans who come here and harass christians!!!!!!!!!!!

Since I don't believe in 'natural sin' this has no meaning for me.
Nor in my belief, is there anywhere a Divine Being who demands a bloody sacrifice to placate His wrath towards the human species.
Thats not to say I don't believe in God, but I don't accept this set of ideas.

 

How could humans deteriotate the state of the Earth if God was omniscient? That is how could we have free will if God is omniscient. If God is omnibenevolent why does he allow suffering (assuming He is omnipotent).

 

yes indeed, the traditional (lutheran ) formula is "fully human, fully divine"...

"son of god and son of man"

issa ibn maryam, they call him in arabia...

lotta good "jesus stories" in desert oral tradition... sufis tell some good ones, lemme tell ya...

(most christian worship paths end up being some form of bhakti yoga, mmmmmkay?)

 

God gave humans lots of responsibility.

And christians defenitely. As His children, they have a lot of responsibility. Christians either make the best people, or the most worse (them hypocritical ones).

 

we were made rulers over the earth,if a ruler does a bad job the blame lies in theyre ahnds not the one who gave them that responsibility

 

But if God wants the best for us, reguardless of whether we are responsible, he would intervene would he not? That is if he truly wanted the best for us.

 

It's not that Gods will ends where our free will starts: he could have made us robots if He wanted but he made humans with a free will. It was a gift that we should use properly I think, just as all other gifts He gave us: we have eyes, we can use it in a way that glorifies God, but we could also watch pornography with it. He gaves us the gift of speech which we can use to build people up and bless, or we could use it to curse and break people down, we have body parts for sex and we can use it in a clean and pure way or we could go for sexual immorality.....

God searches people that worship Him in truth and spirit (says some Bibletext but I dont remember where. Some prophet book in the OT I think).

 

The question is if God was truly omnibenevolent, despite our own mortal failings, why does he not to his omnipotent abilities bring us happiness? Why would God want us to be ashamed of our own bodies if his intention was our happiness, that is the implication of your condemnation of pornography.

So ultimately, why would God give us the ability to do 'wrong' if all that he desired was our happiness and union with him? Perhaps I am missing the intentions of your God, please elucidate.

 

god interviens only if we alow him,sometimes god places the answer to our prayers right in front of our noses but we want it a different way sometimes and its not gods way,the right way,he knows wot is best for all of us,but without trust and allowing him to do wehat needs to be done,sometimes things happen because of peoples wrongdesisions,god lets people make desisions,he does not stop them because he created us all to amke up our own minds

 

Very much asked question.is: "Why is there so much suffering in this world?"

This is something that the prophet Habakkuk asked to God too:

'The burden which Habakkuk the prophet did see. O LORD, how long shall I cry, and thou wilt not hear! even cry out unto thee of violence, and thou wilt not save! Why dost thou shew me iniquity, and cause me to behold grievance? for spoiling and violence are before me: and there are that raise up strife and contention. Therefore the law is slacked, and judgment doth never go forth: for the wicked doth compass about the righteous; therefore wrong judgment proceedeth.' (1: 2-4)

After asking God "why's all this suffering?", habakuk does this: he waits for God's answer.

'I will stand upon my watch, and set me upon the tower, and will watch to see what He will say unto me, and what I shall answer when I am reproved.' (2:1)

Then Gods answer is that the world may be crappy now, with suffering all around, but it's humans who do it and eventually, justice will be done.

The reaction of Habakuk on Gods answer is this:

'Although the fig tree shall not blossom, neither shall fruit be in the vines; the labour of the olive shall fail, and the fields shall yield no meat; the flock shall be cut off from the fold, and there shall be no herd in the stalls: Yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will joy in the God of my salvation. The LORD God is my strength, and he will make my feet like hinds’ feet, and he will make me to walk upon mine high places. To the chief singer on my stringed instruments.' (3:17-19)

Through the suffering, he trusts on God and His strength.

(Sorry for the somewhat older Bibletranslation used. Does anyone know were I can find a more recent Bible translation in english on the internet?)

 

It's hard to believe though, that supposedly God came in and intervened at the beginning of time (all those old testament stories) and he's so almightly powerful and vengeful, and now he's doing this whole passivist act...

 

that's just because don't know where to look maybe, that you don't see, it doesn't that mean it aint't there?

 

You make innumerable consessions to your God. When something shitty happens, it was God's will, it is part of a bigger picture, it cannot be understood why my life is shitty--but if I believe, God will reward me in the end.
Or it was the doing of his mortal children that somehow possess free will even though given God's credentials free will would be impossible, but in any case God will reward you in the end, no?

I ask, would you believe, so whole-heartedly, in your God if all was held true except that you would not live on after death. That is, if all that the Christian Bible preaches was accurate except for the fact that your suffering would not be rewarded as in compensation. Would you then praise your God? I believe your faith is reliant on egotism and reward based ethics.

I say that if your God lived at one point he either died or is taking a vacation because in my model of an omnipotent being [which is JUST AS VALID as your model] IT would show its presence and not be so fucking ambiguous.

 

all the punishment that needed to be taken for our wrong doing was poured upon the flesh of jesus!
that is why we are no longer punished for our wrong doing but can b saved and redeemed!
god is a god of choices,we just haveto realise that we have been cut off the vine of the tree of good and evil and god has placed us back to the tree of life,with his spirit and goodness flowing within us!2wen aperson is saved the old life dies and the new life is joined with god

 

It's like....the ticket is allready bought, but it depends on us stepping on the airplane or not.

 

to be sure this is the meaning of christianity.... i love it every time i think im wrong about christians one of the devoted goes and reassures me!

 

that is why we are no longer punished for our wrong doing but can b saved and redeemed!
you cant possibly believ that


god is a god of choices,we just haveto realise that we have been cut off the vine of the tree of good and evil

and when did all of this happen? i missed that chapter!

and god has placed us back to the tree of life,with his spirit and goodness flowing within us!2wen aperson is saved the old life dies and the new life is joined with god

then why are so mother fucking many of yall such pure unadulterated hipocrates?

oh i forgot ...free will...forgiveness policy? truth way light yadda yadda yadda

 

So I read that terrible Christian poem/song...
oh NO! God's gonna fuck me up! If there is a God, he's already done that.
religion is a sham. live!!!!
-Jill the Heathen

 

I agree too........and also agree that I am also 'crap', as you put it.
One question, though. I believe what you say is likely true, and compliment you on your post, however, how do you Know he is all human? Sure, that is the best guess, but do you really know for certain?
I sure don't.

 

as a pegan myself i find it rude for people to adress pegans as a whole. we are all different people of different minds, and to group us all into one catagory is wrong. there are people of the christian faith whom see it fit to judge as if they were god, and the bible says not to so. dose that mean that all christians should be condemed for ones mistake? not all pegans are rude so please be kind to the ones who are not and seperat us when it comes to the things we do on a personal level. we are not all perfect but neather are christians.