Mein Kampf

Yes this is a book by Hitler. I'm not one to be very stuck on a book by a man who killed people but as I read on I seemed attracted to his ability to word things a way that appealed to the reader. Does it make me bad to of enjoyed that book?

 

No, not bad. Most of it was bullshit. Poor little adolf feeling sorry for himself. My mother grew up on a German island in the North Sea. Through her young adulthood then on the mainland ; she acquired an "autographed" copy of the book. Come to find out the autograph was bs as well. Ma married an American GI and came to US in 1953. She died a few yrs ago at 92. The book sold to a local book dealer for $50. When I questioned him ; he explained they were easy to come by showing a few he already had.

 

Hitler was an evil person ultimately.

But he was a great communicator, which is a big part of the reason he gained power. Millions of Germans were drawn to him, mesmerized even.

Substance and charisma are very different things. So you need to be careful which influences you admit into yourself. Nazi influences are really not good.

You need to understand just how bad they were.

 

Interesting observation, I have not read it but have browsed it. He wrote it while he was incarcerated. No doubt he was evil incarnate, before all the war issue he was able to raise Germany out of the gutter due to the draconian rules of the 1919 Treaty of Versailles.

 

I agree with your comments about the treaty of Versailles. Huge mistake for the US and UK to give in to France on this. That said, Hitler took Germany from the gutter and returned them to an even worse gutter in a few short years. Which German in all of history was worse for Germany than Hitler? (And yes, I know he was Austrian)

 

I couldn't get that far into it. I wanted to read it to get an understanding of his mindset, but it was really rambling in a way and full of faulty logic. The kind of book I can't see convincing anyone, but completely inflaming those who share the viewpoint. Pretty much, I saw it as being the 1930s Ann Coulter..

 

Yeah you're not wrong there Duck. I tried many times to read this and a few years back finally managed to but man was it painful to read. I found myself so uninterested in most of it that I was reading the same page up 4 times just trying to actually retain the information.
Though it never helped that the translator made a million footnotes trying to pinpoint any hypocrisy, mistakes etc. Hitler had made when it was written. That became annoying quite fast.

There were really interesting parts in the book and ultimately I don't think the dudes reasoning behind a "German Germany" was all that bad. It made sense to me. Keep Germany for the Germans, if you're there on holiday you respect the land for it is not yours.

I also strongly agreed with the euthanization of mentally ill people who offer nothing to society other than extreme costs to keep them alive.

That'll probably be unpopular to some but it makes sense to me.

 

Aboriginals actually traversed from the northern realms of Papua down to Australia. They were also strangers of this land. No point trying to argue with an Aussie on that topic, it fuels most of our history and geography based arguments throughout classrooms nationwide.

And what you say he was saying was not what he was saying in the translation that I read, nothing close to it.

 

Translations are quite interesting. I've read three different versions of Mein Kampf and they've all been quite different. I'll assume the one written in Deutsch was more appropriate or exact but then again it was an updated copy so who knows. The two English versions were quite different especially in how it was all worded. One edition was roughly 1300 pages and the other well under 1000.

I have read one with footnotes by the author which may have been the one you read, Ygg, but I'm not sure. It was quite frustrating because there were asterix **** everywhere indicating read the footnote every few sentences.

I'd like to have an original copy and a English translated copy and just see how far off it really is. I assume the main ideas and agendas are correct but you two already have different perception of what was read and I blame this directly on the authors understanding of the translation.

 

So you're saying he was focused on a Germany for Germans?
Pretty much exactly what I said?

 

Well, there is NOT much difference between Mien Kampf and the koran. Both books preach hatred of Jews and killing everyone who does not agree with you. You go figure. ...Oscar

 

Ummm, it actually makes you sound profoundly disturbed. What in the hell makes you so superior? Life is something to be treasured. That's something that Herr Hitler (and you) just can't seem to grasp.

QP

 

Well said.

 

Ditto.

 

I grasp the concept, don't agree with it.

Was bought up in schools that catered for the mentally ill and those incapable of moving on their own. Could not learn, could not understand. Please tell, from your personal experience, how an individual who cannot fathom any understanding and cannot learn the knowledge of "life is to be treasured" can have any "quality of life" going on for them?

My personal opinion on it is cruelty and many other people will agree with me. This is why self termination centres and hospitals exist. What are you going to believe? That even the scientists and medical professionalises that agree with self deliverance are all also "disturbed" because they have a differing opinion to your own?

 

Well I'm no scientist or doctor buuuut I assume the fact he has a physically able body and mind could probably answer that question. I also believe I'm far superior to those who don't know any better.

OoOo treasured life Vs quality of life. That's a good one.
I'll also raise my hand as a "disturbed" person. I also see it as cruel and a huge cost on the economy driven by taxes we all have to pay for and what do I get out of it?
Yes I'm that selfish. -.-