mainstream "going green"

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/01/clorox-green-works.php


what are your thoughts on products like this and some other recent ones by some household product cos?

how do you feel about sierra club making a move like this? what about all the other great brands out there that have been providing alternatives for years?

i know it's not a black and white issue, there are many sides and ideas so i invite discussion.

 

It all depends. It's a a great move in the right direction but there are still a lot of other questions that should be answered.

Are there any environmentally hazardous chemicals used in the production of these "all natural" derivatives? How eco-friendly is the rest of their plant?

The final end product may be "eco-friendly", but what about everything that leads up to that final product? I think the process is just as important as the final product.

 

its because its becoming popular and chic to be green. They're doing it for profit.

 

Prius' batteries are more harmful to the environment to make than the full life of a Hummer.

 

Consumers who want to go green are in for a tough time of evaluating highly technical claims and counterclaims. Most of us are going to need to rely on evaluations from reputable publications in terms of the science behind these new products. We can't all rush out and get graduate degrees in chemistry and physics.

Is this true even if the batteries are made mostly from recycled materials, and in turn recycled at the end of useful life? I realize that the world's fleet of large batteries is undergoing rapid growth, but this will plateau at some point. Making new batteries from scratch is an environmental impact that can be considered as a one-time transition problem if we stick with this technology for the long haul.

 

They are simply jumping on the "green" trend to make money to be frank, not to change the world or make us "green".

 

i have a hard time supporting anything that the corporate world has their hands in..

their is nothing in these products that will clean any better than recipes that are decades if not centuries old made with common kitchen ingredients..

screw them. when its all said and done they are still a chemical corporation.

i would much rather buy baking soda and vinegar over that crap to clean with..

but thats JMHO

 

Sure they are. I don't have a problem with that, as long as they are actually doing what they claim to be doing. We can still get a good end result out of that dynamic.

...and hope that the baking soda and vinegar companies aren't screwing the world over.

 

or just make your own vinegar from cider and soap from homemade lye and lard you rendered yourself..

like i said, these things are simple solutions and they have been around for years.

 

Yeah, you have to control every step of the process to really know for sure what's going on.

 

aint that hard.. if we can do it anyone can do it..

 

Overall, whether this companies and the general mainstream are going "green" for geniuine concern for the enviroment or because its is not more popular and in demand, going "green" is a good idea overall. Not only does it help our health and the enviroment, but perhaps help people stay aware and care about each other and the enviroment more. Who knows; maybe this going "green" movement might continue and grow.

 

I am an environmental studies graduate from a internationally acclaimed liberal arts university(One of the best in the world). I know about resource depletion and the problems that exist. These products will never amount to the changes that are needed. Beggining changes would include people trully understanding what the 'environment' is. You know how environmentalist say "We should learn to see ourselves as a part of the environment" They are not just trying to give you spiritual purpose. If we keep treating the environment this way, we are killing ourselves. FUK national parks, fuk nature areas. We need to grow sustainable food and use fossil fuels sparingly, ONLY to create renewable energy sources. HAHA - ooo non-toxic cleaners. YAY fucking birds wont die. SO what? Do you like food? Do you like electricity? IF you answer no, your a retard and to the others, you better take care of 'yourself' by treating the environment as a part of yourself.

 

Agreed.

 

may i ask what are you doing to live a sustainable life ?

 

I have no problem with big corps apparently jumping on the green band wagon.
Perhaps "jumping on the green band wagon" is a little unfair, if they are merely responding to consumer demand...or/and addressing their products impact on the world.
Not all corps are evil planet killers.

I do have a little bit of a problem with big corps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procter_%26_Gamblemaking own Clorox) some of their producs uber green such as the ones in the link.
It suggests they maybe making a few products green but not really addressing their other products green credentials (a little bit of a distraction.)

Most products are greener than they once were, which is good.

 

I am not living a sustainable life. I am making enough money to live a self-sustainable life.

The reality of the situation is that I have to have my own place and cannot join anyone in it, as I think it would be very difficult to do so successfully. I will eventually go off grid, food/energy/monetary, in about hopefully 10 - 15 years. Hopefully we wont experience a large scale war by then, with super powers like USA against Russia.

 

Perhaps you need to study politics too.

 

interesting.. wasnt quite the answer i was expecting coming from someone espousing such credentials and going off on such a rant..

who woulda thunk that your doing absolutely nothing..lol

 

hippiehillbilly, do you think it ok for somebody to earn lots of money then "go off grid".
I ask because I see lots of programmes over here and you see people building "eco homes" and/or proclaiming they are living a more sustainable life.
But, they are rich, spend a few hundred thousand pound on their home and then say: we all should be living an eco life.

Yeah, sure...lend us some frigging money to set myself up then.