Lsd Moral And Ethical Codes

Is squirting unsuspecting persons in the eye with a mixture od LSD and water a bad thing to do? or do you think this is a sort of fun idea. or a very fun idea! this poll is all about the mixture of oppinions here, its not like im consulting you as to whether or not im going to do this myself.

How might it all go about? Perhaps a bouncer at a club in a busy area. they have to stand around in mostly a few single spots and may be on shift for a while, constantly looking around and dealing with new people.

One person walks past and squirts him in the eye and pissbolts. he cant really leave the place hes standing at.

then watch from over the road.

 

It doesn't sound much different than poisoning them by slipping it in a person's drink. Something like that happened close to here a couple of times; one time a high school kid dropped a hit of acid in their teachers coffee and watched them drink it. The teacher went to the hospital and the kid was charged with a felony.
Another time, a different kid slipped in some cleaning fluid in the teacher's Coke.

Chances are you wouldn't get any amusement from it.

 

Dont bother responding with 'why would you waste that LSD?'

This is assuming we have no qualms about the amount of LSD that goes anywhere

 

cleaning fluid??

 

No, terrible idea. LSD is a very powerful substance, and it can be a terrifying experience for anyone that hasn't prepared themselves for what is about to happen to them.

That would be an incredibly mean thing to do.

If someone did that to me without my foreknowledge, I may actually kill them, or definitely contemplate it.

There is a reason why the CIA thought to use LSD as a form of torture device.

 

ya dude thats on par with poisoning. Imagine you had no idea what was happening, but all of a sudden you started to trip. Just use AIDS blood.

 

Dude. No. That's wrong.

 

Well, it's not really like squirting aids infected blood into someones eye, or poison.

AIDS kills
Poison kills, most of the time

LSD can kill, but only an incredibly large dosage. Although, the post-traumatic stress disorder resulting from a bad experience may lead someone to commit suicide, but it isn't concrete, and the least that can happen from an unwanted dosage is either

A) Doing something dangerous while tripping.
B) Cause a lot of suffering.

 

A powerful LSD trip can be much much heavier than AIDS. It is unethical to subject someone to a powerful experience like LSD if they're not expecting it and haven't prepared for it. Period.

 

Much heavier than something that kills you?

 

Nah, you're right, I wasn't really paying attention when I posted that... In terms of nasty things to do, getting someone with AIDS infected blood is worse than spiking them with acid... but a heavy unexpected LSD trip could certainly be a lot heavier than discovering you've got HIV, which can be treated up to a point.

Suggesting spiking people with LSD for fun is just a horrible horrible idea, and seems more dangerous than getting someone with AIDS blood because I get the impression the OP thinks spiking unsuspecting people with LSD might be somehow good for them. Anyone infecting someone with AIDS knowingly at least understands the consequences.

 

You have a point.

 

I went to a party once where someone dosed the jungle juice pretty heavy. The party ended up being kind of a bomb because no one showed, but because no one showed the people that did drank more JJ then the "doser"
Because no one was ready for a fair amount of acid most of the people at the party freaked pretty bad.

Also, some people make it a point to not do drugs. This decision being theirs to make makes dosing them without consent very wrong.

That is my opinion

 

This happened about 15 odd years ago so I'm a little fuzzy on the details. The student distracted the teacher for a moment; while she wasn't looking, he (the student), pulled a small vial of cleaning fluid from his pocket and squirted some into her Coke.

 

drugs are a choice

you do them because you want them
you do a bit of preparation ie harm reduction

giving someone a trip could send them insane
watching a person have a bad trip is no fun
especially if you were the one that caused it

 

Hmmm...
are you sure about that?

i have never EVER heard of anyone ODing on LSD. I didnt know it was even possible to OD on LSD... (od meaning over dosing to the point of death.)

- tos

 

I'm sure.

The person, or persons, that died from it snorted GRAMS of it, thinking it was coke.

It's all on erowid.

 

I could never do that to anyone, I try to avoid interfering with anyone when I can help it. If we are talking about morality, or what is good and what is evil, Im going to have to go the route of labeling good as that which represents order and labeling evil that which represents chaos. Goodness in itself is a state of negativity, because to define anything as orderly or positive, we go through a certain amount of negation, or seperating that which is chaotic from the mess to come to a state of order. Evil in my opinion doesnt actually exist, but I will go with chaos as being evil simply because it is avoidable conflict. The mind is constantly in a state of conflict, because if we understand consciousness to be one, yet have the fragmentation of seperate states of consciousness under our perception, we are putting something against something else for comparison. Wether or not volountarily dosing someone with a psychedelic drug would be considered right or wrong, or good or bad, we have to see it for what is actually happening. Are we negating conflict so as to arrive upon a state of order? Or are we pushing/pulling fragments of consciousness into/away from other fragments so as to arrive upon a state of chaos? If my opinion is being requested in this thread, I dont mind sharing with you that I would object to actually following through with such a counter-productive activity. Having a fantasy or daydream about dropping LSD on someone we dislike may be good for a quick laugh but the damage that may cause if it were to manifest as a real situation can easily outweigh any order or positivity.
However, I have also to share that were it done to me, were I to be the 'victim' of such a deviant act, I would not be found complaining. I would be more than likely wondering where the blessing came from so as to track the person down and thank him or her!
namaste

 

^if it happened to me i wouldnt be too too pissed. However, ive taken high enough doses where i literally thought i had died and had entered an entirely different dimension where i was joined into the Earths collective consciousness and energy flow. As cool as that sounds...it was terrifying, one of my worst psychedelic induced moments. Its awesome in hindsight, but while i was in the trip it was far from cool. If that happened to somebody who had never taken acid before, I could see that going REALLY bad.

 

The military used to dose both imprisoned POW's and detected foreign, internal spies while they were confined in jail cells after weeks of horrendous neglegence to their health (lack of h20, food, sanitation) and then slip them acid in the water. When the people started to loose it (cry, freak the fuck out, scream), the military would threaten to extend their state of insanity permanently if answers wern't provided...this, in case you didnt catch on, is the U.S. government. "Acid Dreams: Social History of LSD"

so yea...dosing the unsuspecting=evil

My dad worked at Bonnaroo for the first six years of the shows production. He told me this story about how someone who worked under his command took a wrapped toothpick like you get at restaraunts from some random guy thinking nothing of it. Only to find out the hard way that the toothpicks were saturated in LSD. The man had to be hospitalized. He was flippin so hard they couldnt even detain him at the medical tent. Point of the story is, this guy was a mormon, he didnt do drugs...just drank (which is a sin to mormons nonetheless) and was only at Bonnaroo for the 2 or 3 grand he would have made by working there. According to my pop, this guy never truly recovered from the experience.

thinking about it now, if the toothpick was wrapped, it may not have been the toothpick, the was just what they surmised out of simpele logic. But regardless, he somehow got dosed up, i would suspect an open container
or somethin. Either way, point of the story remains

StonerBill, if you were thinking about dosing someone, as much as im against it, just make sure its to someone with remote experience with psychedelics.