Love the rapport, yet another live writhing thread

Carrying on.

thedope has an occasionally trusting friend who is an exegete, a student and interpreter of texts. So confident in his perceptions as to think he could unsay what had been said through the power of simply saying it wasn't said which went to demonstrate thedope's point that we believe to see and see to believe. As much as Dejavu would tell thedope that what thedope said didn't make sense, there were as many other reports from other corners that said what was said did make sense.

An example is the statement reposted from other threads, "perception is not knowledge but can lead to it."
Dejavu believes that he can unsay that saying by saying that knowledge is never not perceived but that structure does not account for the unknown. Admittedly Dejavu would say that is because knowledge is not complete because everything is yet to become. thedope believes that reality is complete as it is becoming, not waiting for some future to reveal itself. What is limited is perspective, not knowledge. Of course at this thedope would wait in anticipation for the question, how is perspective not knowledge, but he would wait just an instant before pulling the time warp of answering the question that had yet to be asked by the principle in question, "when it is not shared or has no objective constituents that we may all apprehend, reality making no exceptions. Some are better than others? The world has no meaning apart from the meaning we give it, it meaning the world is not valuable for what it has to offer, you give it all the meaning or value it has for you. In the same turn the world places no value on a persons particular evaluations moving with a dynamic that far outpaces any particular whimsy."
thedope made no exception to exceptionalism but only pointed out what is the same and what is different in saying, "the exceptionalist would feel free to love me if it wasn't for, or except for."

thedope recalled a line from a poem,

between the eyes and there lies the sound of color and the light of a sigh...
to hear the sun what a thing to believe but it's all around if we could but perceive...

 

("...in..." went the goblin following now, adding "...love the poem too...")

 

"Most interesting question..."; observed the Trickster, "perhaps you can suggest an answer..."; seeing that he was unable to even fathom the concept....

 

"Not to answer a question with another question," replied thedope intending full well to give a round answer if even round about, "but I wonder if your regard your disability as indelible Trickster? I suggest perspective is not knowledgeable when it fails to appreciate the presence or legitimacy of other perspectives and further there is the evidence that perspective can be fundamentally altered by the addition of knowledge. Perspective is a relationship with a gestalt or world model into which we file through acceptance or negation the purpose of our own sensations as we do not experience the world at a distance but through our own nervous system. However, our own nervous system is capable to what ever purpose we put it to, there is nothing we can know that can't be known. Knowledge is being shared in every instance and flows freely into an open mind."

 

As benediction thedope said, "welcome goblin, may all find a way to appreciate being here. In the absence of authority, appreciation assures access."

 

Perspective I see as the capacity to comprehend spatial continuum ad infinitum; the knowledge of the particular perception - space time; and of its prime characteristic, fractalization.

 

"Is a particular perspective indicative of a space time continuum? I may be wrong but you seem to agree that perception is the capacity to make sense of the senses or perception can lead to knowledge," offered thedope as a way to encourage the growth and representation of figs.

 

Now followed the Figuerian definitions:

Perception is reality; knowledge, the perception of the mechanics of reality; technology, the perception of managing reality through knowledge.




note: The above is an empirical statement, not a metaphysical statement.

 

"Who are the Figuerians?", wondered thedope. "Is that a fruit of your own concoction being empirical. Is the Figuerian empiricism based on observation and experiment or is the empiricism derived soley from experience and not derived from the application of logic or is it based on the practical experience in the treatment of real cases and not on applied theory or scientific proof?
Further by metaphysical do you mean beyond physical or do you mean metaphysical as great physical as in the essential nature of reality?"
In thedope's perspective, perception is an aspect of reality much like the polished facet of a cut diamond, each angle reflecting an array of hues emanating from the common center of the stone.

 

Dejavu had been gone from forumland near on a fortnight, and had been enjoying himself away from it. Having returned, finding himself not surprisingly the subject of thedopes writerly offerings, he exclaimed "I love that you love the rapport between us thedope, but this, your livewriting thread, it should have been a tribute to yourself!" He laughed. "Show me these corners then, since I know you're not all talk! The things you've said that I show to make no sense, you have never then shown to make it as much as you like to say they do! Some words are better than others, if only for their making more sense. For instance, knowledge is not complete, but ongoing. Go to show me where it is complete in itself through its being ongoing and you will still only show it as ongoing." Dejavu paused, seeing himself as usual one for words before others, not being taken by his own sayings. He looked all about him in this new thread, and went on, being one for his thoughts. "Hi Ficus! Glad to see you here!" he said. "Seeing as you're a trickster, I'm sure you won't be put out by the third person, who really only threatens to put us out, never yet having had anything on the first person." As it stood amongst the livewriters of late, only thedope would say knowledge is not always perceived, only thedope would say there is a barrier to the perception of love. "No harm in getting ahead of ourselves necessarily, but let's let our "benedictions" be realized as such in their reception!" he chuckled.

 

Lovely role-play boys.

 

Those that are born from me...

all of the above and none...

ontological...

tell me what aspect of reality is outside that aspect...

 

"I attribute it to the goblin's love," replied thedope, "and my ability to show up whatever the clime or request. Further what could have should have would have is not near as fulfilling as what is had, had we but recognized it. That life is ongoing does not necessarily suggest that the goings on are somehow incomplete. The only holes in the whole of reality are found through limiting perspective. So how many examples would you require to spare me correction? Here is one, not that I am stingy but the answer to that question as you say forever awaits your reception,
Complete;
forward pass in football successfully caught. We still play football and still complete passes. Sometimes a game is called but it still satisfies the schedule."

To the fig newtons thedope would say, "an aspect is a part of the whole and does not define the whole but the whole expresses itself in particular diversity or angular corridors of refraction."

 

"No, lifes going on does suggest its incompletion." He said.
"I need not tell you it's unproductive to find fault with unfinished works. What is life supposed to be complete in? Itself?!" Dejavu always felt cheeky in the presence of ones who thought 'the whole' was not defined by its parts, as though definition itself had a limit. "We all speak from beyond the hole, whether we know it or not." He laughed, abundantly. "Surely you're not so precious you'd have me spare you my words?"

 

"What unfinished works," inquired thedope. "What fault finding do I espouse, as far as I can tell I am not the one calling the world less than whole. All exchanges of energy are equally accounted for, all expressions of love maximal as the only time you are is now. You are not in the future nor will you be save for it becoming now. When is life not life?"

 

"Lives, christian." he said. "If you really think the world is 'complete', then something about your thinking is likely less than wholesome. Is the world perfect yet? Are we? I don't call it imperfection that I've never met anyone who wanted to be finished with living, nor do I call it perfection. Your saying you're bored with sensation for example, what is it you really want to say by saying that?!" Dejavu laughed at thedopes apparent need to have all energy exchange accounted for, and said "When will the future be now thedope? Life is life, as ongoing as ever. If you want its completion, may you rest in peace." Dejavu knew we'd only ever be able to attribute completion to perfection, the great joke being that in perfection we'd find no desire to do so whatsoever, and not because they were somehow the same thing. "Isn't all perspective, by your account, limiting? Or have you now come to your senses enough to see that knowledge has always been ongoing knowing?" Now for those espousals, he thought. The reports from 'other corners' as thedope called them.

 

"No, christian, the worlds not having meaning apart from our own means it is valuable for what it has to offer." said Dejavu impatiently, not waiting for thedopes belabouring what should have been a rapport between them.

 

The Trickster approved what he read, yet new quite well of a place where, and a time when, life was not life...

 

A rapport is a bond or friendly relationship between people based on (1)mutual liking, (2)trust, and (3)a sense that they understand and share each other's concerns.
No thing thedope had said played into any dynamic that depreciated the principle constituents of the rapport in the way he beheld Dejavu, however Dejavu was dealing with a few certain handicaps that made the perception of his love or friendly relation-sip seem obscure or other than it should be. Those machinations of headgear or self imposed barriers to perception were thus far, (4)occasional mistrust and (5)impatience. There was a song playing in thedope's head just then that he had heard many times while one of his daughters strolled down Sesame Street, "three of these things belong together, and two of these things don't."

"Yes, scribe and pharisee," contributed thedope, "as you give the world all the meaning it has for you it's value is solely dependent on you, not written in stone and I am confident you are equal to any virtue"

 

"Well enough to describe it," inquired thedope as he was trickeled quite to, death?