Love and Rage

I went to a workshop yesterday called Love and Rage and it was so wonderful I just wanted to tell you lovley ladies about it!

It had 3 workshops to choose from one called "Feminisim and Imperielism" one called "feminism and radio" and one was an anarcha-eco-feminist discussion group. I went to the third one, the discussion group and it was sooo lovley. Like the name sounds a little hardcore and scary but it was so nice. We walked about just living in a way that truly would abolish oppression of all sorts in out own community. It was so nice to be around all of these empowered woman (and men) and just talking about building a community where we are really accountable for our own actions and doing things to promote unity instead of segragation.

There are just so many amazing groups all over the city I didn't know about! Not all womans groups even, just groups doing amazing social work. I love how there are so many people involved in trying to make this world a little safer and more accepting for all people.

 

it's nice to hear you had a good experience.

 

anyone else had any positive experiences with womans active/discussion groups or anythingg like that?

 

Equality will never happen in an agricultural-based society. And if you really want equality, I think it's silly to make everything about women. But don't mind me, I'm just a cynical anarcho-primitivist.

 

yes, i have had some very positive experiences with women's consciousness-raising groups. and it wasn't all about 'man-hating' like some people think. not at all.

 

I think it's a little opressive to not be safe walking alone at night. And woman still on average do not get paid the same as men (at times even for the same jobs).

And globally...in developing nations woman have very few rights. economists will often judge counties by their GDP and their rate of national employment and label woman as able to work but not working. This is of course a patriarichal mis-judgement being that many of these woman work all day raising children, feedingg everyone, and doing gdomestic hard labour work. When looked at on a more just scale it was discovered that womans work is some of the longest and hardest but they don't get paid or recognised for it. They are also often looked over completley in the industry of development when they in truth play a really imporant role in the rebuilding of healthy (conflict/HIV free communities) communities. Not to mention are tortured in SO many ways globally...


But this was not even the point of this workshop. The point of the workshop was to look at oppression of all types and see the links between them (env't, woman, religions, races, sexual orientation, etc.). And realise a lot of that is coming out of living in a capatalist patriarichal society....

 

I went to a group called Safe Spaces, we had a weekend workshop. It was for gay, lesbian, bi, transgendered, questioning, etc. youth from all around BC. It was only Friday, Saturday and Sunday, but the workshops were great, nobody was shy in the group (some people were at first, but that didn't last long) and all was good and friendly.
It wasn't all GLBT, a few people brought their straight friends, and that was good. There was one straight kid there that had gotten Community Service and they told him that if he attended the entire weekend, it would count as 200 hours! He said that he would understand us being offended by that (getting extra time for hanging out with queer kids?!) but nobody was... he was the type of kid that would call people "fag", "queer", etc. and by the end, after hearing all of our stories (stories that none of us had ever shared with anybody else) he swore he'd never do it again, and didn't realize how tough it was for teenagers like us. Quite a few of the people told rape stories that they had never told anybody else, and felt more support than we ever would have gotten if we HAD told anyone else. Everyone told their coming-out stories, some of abandonment from their own families, and some who found acceptance through teachers and counsellors. One told a story about his roommate, who threatened, and tried, to kill him and his boyfriend. It was full of information, sex-ed that we don't get in schools (and answers to questions we don't even get a chance to ask in schools) and stories that we never would have told our own friends and families.

 

wow! that sounds like an amazing workshop!

 

I am NOT saying that woman should be given all the jobs. I' msaying everyone should get equal treatment. This movement is NOT about man hating. The movement is about equality.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1488437.stm

http://blog.aflcio.org/2007/10/16/working-women-better-educated-but-still-paid-less-than-men/

And you know what, I'm not sure if you know this or not but gay kids have a really hard time, in certain communities they get their asses kicked and get ridiculed, certain familys will disown you. That's often not the case with being straight, which is why coming out of the closet is such a big deal...and I'm sure thinking you are gay and falling in love with someone of the opposite sex would be fairly dramatic also, just a little less taboo in society.

I don't want to be picking on straight white upper middle class males, but they have privledges that they don't necessarily deserve. Hey! I'm a middle class white female and I have privledges that I don't deserve. That's the point of fighting oppression- trying to make a soceity where we are not born into roles of privledge but can start more so on the same playing field- at least in the case of basic human rights. TO makes global equality.

This is not about hating any race, gender, religion, etc. it's about realising no one is better then anyone else but first to do that we have to realise the groups that are being segregated and abused and these groups need the support.

 

Johnny, I hate to sound rude, but it sounds like you really just need to get over yourself.

Why shouldn't we have womens' rights workshops? Why shouldn't we have workshops for gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered and questioning youth?
I don't want excuses or arguments, here. We don't go to these workshops to bitch about everyone else, we do it to talk about what kind of changes NEED to be made. Like I said, the one straight kid at the workshop that didn't realize what people go through just for being different. The few women at the workshop that are SCARED to take on "male-jobs" because of rejection.

As a side note - I know quite a few VERY qualified female heavy equipment operaters who could do the job better than the men on the company, but were refused employment just because they were female. And I know a lot of the owners of these companies, so yes, it has been (very bluntly) admitted to the rest of the employees. You might not see it, but it's still happening.

 

he's just picking fights. don't let him waste your energy. we can't wait for the approval of others to do what we want to do.

 

i find your approach to be negative, divisive, confrontational and generally unhelpful.

 

after reading several of your posts, i can see that any further expenditure of energy on my part would be wasted.

 

WTF?

LMAOBBQ

Sounds like BrokenJohnny is broken because he spent all day today online trolling the women's issues forum after he just lost his job to a more qualified woman.

Ignorant or just daft?

Discuss!

 

yup. you got it. i am unwilling to accept YOUR instruction.

 

No you haven't. You've been bullying people into conflicts. You're confrontational and think you know it all. You want to tell people how it is and seeing that, I think you probably have made quite a few regrettable mistakes in your own life and feel the need to project your almighty wisdom of how life is and should be onto other people who have opinions, feelings, manners and above all common sense. From reading all the 52 total posts that you've happened to make all in just today, I strongly dislike you. This being a free-speech forum, I can say so and express myself openly. So

Your attitude is rancid and you enjoy ranking out block ideas and solutions to what you are hearing all inside of your little head.

Be insulted and appaulled all you want if you must. That's your opinion and your choice.

I just think your approach to particular discussions in this forum reeks of inauthentic succor.

 

well, i already explained what i object to about your 'approach' and it's obvious it ain't gonna change...but fortunately this forum has an ignore feature!

 

i can't hear you...heheh...

 

heheh...this is great...so quiet...*contented sigh*

i highly recommend using the ignore feature on your User CP menu ladies...deprive this troll of the attention he so obviously craves. :tongue:

 

Last word. Last word. Last word.

You can change by stop claiming that you know what I know and know what she knows, and he knows, and they know, and these people know. Christ. How do you know I didn't read all your stupid lousy posts? You don't know that. You wish you did, but you don't.

Jerkface.

You're not just telling your opinions. You're provoking senior members to put you on ignore, forum veterans, and you're not even taking responsibility for your bull-in-a-china-shop way of talking to people on this forum.

*clicks ignore blissfully*