Large bird takes down an air force F16

They believe a large bird got sucked in to the engine of an air force F16 while doing tuch and go s at Luke A.F.B.
http://www.azfamily.com/news/F16-fighter-jet-crashes-near-Luke-Air-Force-Base-213247641.html
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/2...-fighter-jet-crashed-near-luke-air-force-base

 

Haven't seen bird_migration online yet today...

 

They said the most likely thing was a turkey vulture got sucked in to the engine . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_vulture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon As I remember bird migration is in Europe some where , I dont think it is him/her .

 

Probably a drone and they are blaming it on some turkey...

 

The Air Force will go through what is left of the plane . If the plane did hit an Air Force drone they will stick with the bird story . If it was a police drone they will make a big deal over it .

 

where does it say they sucked a bird?

 

Him (check his album) - don't let the long hair fool you.

Ty Brennan ‏@TyFox10 12h
Here is the official release from USAF regarding the F-16 crash at Luke earlier today #fox10 pic.twitter.com/jsY8dC1nxD




More than 200 people have been killed worldwide as a result of wildlife strikes with aircraft since 1988, according to Bird Strike Committee USA, and more than 5,000 bird strikes were reported by the U.S. Air Force in 2007. Bird strikes, or the collision of an aircraft with an airborne bird, tend to happen when aircraft are close to the ground, which means just before landing or after take-off, when jet engines are turning at top speeds.

The incidents are serious particularly when the birds, usually gulls, raptors and geese, are sucked into a jet engine and strike an engine fan blade. That impact displaces the blade such that it strikes another blade and a cascade can occur, resulting in engine failure.

http://www.livescience.com/3239-birds-jet-airplane.html

 

It was mentioned on some of the local t.v. broadcasts last night . I dont think its on any of the links I posted hear . The base comd. gave an interview last night. I think he stated he would give the cause of the chrash after an investagation . Hitting a bird is the most likely .

 

the articles and links posted above are, sorry, all garbage. that last article must have been someones grade school project.

turbofans and turboprops suck birds every day without crashing or even causing an inflight shutdown.

here's testing and development of a GE 90 engine for the B-777. Granted, not the same engine as a much smaller PW engine for an F-16, but they work the exact same way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jfXX7qppbc"]Bird Strikes Jet Engine - YouTube

ah, ok. so it's sort of heresay... lots of things can bring down a single engine fighter, birds being the least likely, not most likely.

http://www.ntsb.gov/news/speeches/sumwalt/rls090224.html

 

I am going by what was said on the local t.v. news last night . For all I know the guy that worked on the engine could have done some thing wrong . Also some one could have sneeked on base and done some thing to the plane .

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZPvVwvX_Nc"]Hudson Flight 1549 HD Animation with audio for US Airways Water Landing - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcPxPC2Pp3k"]US Airways Capt. Chesley Sullenberg discusses bird strikes with Rep. Vern Ehlers - YouTube

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7yKg57tPVU"]What happens when a bird hits a jet engine - YouTube


Ooops...

 

The Air Force is going through the wreckage as I type this . If it was a bird they will say so . I would think a bone or feather would survive . I am sure they are talking to the last mec. to work on the plane . That n.t.s.b. link is on an air buss A320 , I would think the engines are constructed a bit different than a F18 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_a320

 

ya, no i hear ya bro... i'm not taking a side or pointing you out as wrong rather illustrating how rumors fly and twist a story.
just trying to pass on some info.

i remember the F-117 crash when it was still a secret program and remember the gov't spin in the media. the plane was still "secret" even though there were toy models of it, it was common knowledge that something like it existed, just like the SR-71. the incident was straight out of a sci-fi story...

http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2001/July 2001/0701crash.aspx

 

Nice one !!!
it should be titled "what CAN happen when a bird hits an engine" but that's an amazing vid. the point to keep in mind with this stuff is, it's just like EVERY other accident, the outcome varies greatly with variables.

i worked regional passenger aircraft, both turboprops and fans on several different fleet types and worked dozens of bird strikes and never once had a dangerous scenario go down, not even an inflight shutdown. seriously bad damage a few times, engine changes sometimes, but more often than not the bird remains get wiped off, the plane inspected and signed off and back to flying.

again, ya a PW turbojet in an F-16 airframe is not the same as a turbofan mounted on an A-320. that's like saying a Cummings diesel is not the same as a VW diesel. yes they are the same thing.

thats sounding like a compressor stall... VERY common occurance with many turbines particularly GE engines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrErfnFEjx0"]F-16 Compressor stall - YouTube

and here is footage of an F-16 sucking a bird directly over the audience at an airshow.

this is exactly what a compressor stall looks like on most jet engines, whether the stall is from a bird ingestion or a mechanical issue. this is exactly what our turboprops would do when they compressor stalled during climbout. think about compressor stalls the exact same way as a car engine backfiring... it's a "hickup" in normal airflow and combustion, that may or may not result in a flameout and shutdown. also keep in mind that in the old days pilots had to determine whether to shut down an engine and now that is almost exclusively decided by the FADEC system (the computers that control and monitor most modern turbine engines)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crnC5SE1o3M"]F16 Birdhit en Engine stall open days Volkel 2007 II, www.AirCrashObserver.com - YouTube

birds taking out aircraft, F-16's or otherwise, is a rare occurance.

 

OK , I should have used a title for this post like , An Air Force F-16 crashes cause unknown , pilots ok.
Two of many you tube videos on 1-16 s and birds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN_Zl64OQEw"]F16 bird strike and eject - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzpz261mU2A"]F16 Bird Strike - YouTube
with different out comes .
If any one hear does not know what a SR-71 or F-117 is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-117
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sr-71
I know a guy that worked for Lockheed , he stated the A-12/SR-71 started out as a bomber , but they had no bombs that could be deployed at mach 3

 

I keep seein posts of yours today that I like.
neways, yes...that^^^

 

ya, better. totally wasn't ragging on you for the post title tho, just sayin

nice ones. you illustrate my point exactly, you never know the outcome of a given scenario until it goes down.

that's partially correct as i understand it, with a correction:

to drop bombs you have to carry them outside which you can't do at Mach3 or you have to open a bomb bay to drop them which you can't do either. it was never going to be a 'bomber', rather an attack aircraft (hence the initial designation of A-12)

you could fire missles or drop bombs, but you'd have to slow down first and you still have the problems of hanging missles or bombs on the outside or having bomb bay doors. those are insurmountable problems on a Mach3 airframe. the SR-71 would "run over" it's own bullets if it fired an onboard gun.
so it was a reconissince aircraft that was never touched by the enemy, even the U2 got shot down.

those last two clips you posted are badazz man, i love that you can see the bird just before impact on both! then that one dude... "eh, i just hit a bird"... lol

 

If any one hear does not know the story of the u-2 that was shot down , it was Francis Powers . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_powers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_U-2

 

The Luke base comd. is saying it was most likely a bird , so this will stand unless they find another cause . They are happy at Luke after getting the new F-35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35 It is our 360 days a year of good flying weather that makes Luke a good training base .