Jesus was totaly irrational..!

Jesus was totally irrational!!

If you do something wrong with your eye or hand, cut/pluck it off (Matthew 5:29-30, in a sexual context).
Marrying a divorced woman is adultery. (Matthew 5:32)
Don't plan for the future. (Matthew 6:34)
Don't save money. (Matthew 6:19-20)
Don't become wealthy. (Mark 10:21-25)
Sell everything and give it to the poor. (Luke 12:33)
Don't work to obtain food. (John 6:27)
Don't have sexual urges. (Matthew 5:28)
Make people want to persecute you. (Matthew 5:11)
If someone steals from you, don't try to get it back. (Luke 6:30)
If someone hits you, invite them to do it again. (Matthew 5:39)
If you lose a lawsuit, give more than the judgment. (Matthew 5:40)
If someone forces you to walk a mile, walk two miles. (Matthew 5:41)
If anyone asks you for anything, give it to them without question. (Matthew 5:42)

The above statements are beautiful in terms of teaching good morals and ethics, but they are quite irrational and extreme. Jesus was totally unrealistic in most of his teachings. We can't use them in our daily lives. They're obviously useless!.


anyone got an opinion on this?.. is the bible full of man made alterations and corruptions?

 

The Bible, at least the King James version, is a highly inaccurate translation; a study done regarding the accuracy of the KJ Bible found that some 80%+ of statements in the English version were not able to be considered an accurate translation.

 

I was actualy quoting from the NIV... is there an accurate non corrupt version?

 

On the whole financial thing - he wasn't trying to give advise that would be sensible financial decision making.

To be poor in wealth and to be poor in spirit are two different things.

Blessings

Sebbi

 

The statements you gave were from the Sermon On The Mount. The Jews up to this time felt that they could work their way to Heaven. Jesus gave those examples to show the Jews, that if they think they are saved by the Law, this is how good you will have to be. The Jews knew after that Sermon, that no one could be that good. Jesus was telling them if they wanted to have eternal life, something other than works would be necessary.
There are many translations of the Bible, in many languages. Yet translations should always be checked by more orginal texts. The Dead Sea Scrolls have remained untouched for over 2,000 years, and have provided a wealth of information as to the accuracy of the Old Testament. We have a number of Second century copies of the New Testament from various other areas of the world. And we have the majority text which is in agreement. So taking this all into account, your older King James, can pretty well be read with confidence.

 

And could you please tell us who did this study?

 

but there are discrepancies in the KJV bible too....

compare 1 Kings 4:26 and 2 Chronicles 9:25

no one actualy cares how many stalls of horses Solomon had.. but my issue is which book is accurate? surely if both are in the bible then both should be accurate?

 

sounds like he's quoting the Jesus Seminar. They have a website.

 

80%+ statements are not considered accurate?... that sounds a little too excessive to be true... whereas i have concerns that we are not all singing off the same song sheet... i find it hard to believe that any bible can be THAT innacurate

 

The King James version was a translation from Latin.
The original txts were in Hebrew and Greek.
The best modern translation is The Jerusalem Bible which comes from the original sources.
Then again, most of it is Greek to me anyway

 

There is a difference, and this is why it is always good to go back to the orginals. Those translations which give the number 40,000 are based on the Masoretic Text, which was the Old Testament used by the Jews in the Middle Ages. But if one checks the Septuagint (LXX), one discovers manuscripts giving the number 4,000--the same as in Chronicles 9:25. This is your classic example of a copyist error. The orginal scrolls had no such errors, but newer versions did.
Since the finding of the Dead Sea Scrolls back in 1947, any such error can be checked for accuracy buy Scrolls that have remained untouched for 2,000 years. Even some of the newer translations of the Bible have a number of errors. It's always best to go back to the orginals when questions arise like this.

 

"Jesus was totally irrational..!"

He is only irrational by your standards.

 

have you read the entire thread?.. at least others have explained what was meant by the apparant irrationalities... i fail to see what use your post is?

 

and what exactly are my standards that you can make such a comment?

 

You made the comment that, because He said to sell everything you own and give the money to the poor, or don't try to get back a stolen object, or give to people who ask for it, etc, he must be irrational.

Notice that a lot of those things are borderline Buddhist/Gandhi sayings, yet no one goes to Buddhism and says "Buddha was completely irrational!"

I think He was right on a great many things. Remember Jesus was a peace maker like Gandhi was.

 

Mat 5:11Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.



Where does he say that we should MAKE people WANT to persecute us?

 

and you dont think that selling EVERYTHING you own and giving it to the poor is irrational?
or giving someone whatever they ask for without question?
or dont have sexual urges?

all of the statements by jesus in my original post were irrational... most were as i stated beautiful in terms of teaching good morals and ethics but it is completely unrealistic to think one can live by these rules in our daily lives...

 

as has been shown earlier... different bibles have different interpretations and if you bothered to read my first post in its entirety you will see that this is EXACTLY my point...

 

Alrighty... lets look at the different translations:

"Blessed are you when people reproach you, persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely, for my sake. (WEB)

Blessed are ye when men'shall reproach you, and persecute you, and say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. (ASV)

Happy are you when men give you a bad name, and are cruel to you, and say all evil things against you falsely, because of me. (BBE)

Blessed are ye when they may reproach and persecute you, and say every wicked thing against you, lying, for my sake. (DBY)

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. (KJV)

Blessed are ye when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. (WBS)

"Blessed are you when they have insulted and persecuted you, and have said every cruel thing about you falsely for my sake. (WEY)


"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me (NIV)

....There's not much of a change. Still, in all of them, I can't find where Jesus says to MAKE people WANT to persecute us....

 

Campbell34 answered this quite nicely:
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The statements you gave were from the Sermon On The Mount. The Jews up to this time felt that they could work their way to Heaven. Jesus gave those examples to show the Jews, that if they think they are saved by the Law, this is how good you will have to be. The Jews knew after that Sermon, that no one could be that good. Jesus was telling them if they wanted to have eternal life, something other than works would be necessary.
There are many translations of the Bible, in many languages. Yet translations should always be checked by more orginal texts. The Dead Sea Scrolls have remained untouched for over 2,000 years, and have provided a wealth of information as to the accuracy of the Old Testament. We have a number of Second century copies of the New Testament from various other areas of the world. And we have the majority text which is in agreement. So taking this all into account, your older King James, can pretty well be read with confidence.