isreal vs palestine

so whos side is everyone on?

 

Im not sure of the issue here. The UN granted both palestine and israel a portion of land. The plaestinines are just greedy bastards. I mean its not like israel has millions of square miles of land. Israel is smaller than NJ. I mean god damn. Whats the problem?

 

Dude if you knew anything about the israeli/palestine relationships, then you would know that it is not fair just to pick one side. The history of violence there goes back before you were born and you cant just say whose right and wrong by what you see in the news. I studied this topic a couple of years ago and found both parties have committed wrong-doing, violence and immoral acts, not just by the people but by the governments themselves.
I dont think its right to pick a side to be on unless you actualy lived in the area and were farmiliar with the history. Sure if you were an israeli and your house got bombed by palestinian militants then you would pick the side of the isrealis. But even then it would still be wrong just to pick a side.
No one wins in war.

 

I suppose from a historical point of view going back many years, then I think it would be resonble to be on the palestines side, seing as that both parties lived in harmony until the state of israel was created with little respect to the local people thus creating tension which would soon seperate them. Isreal benefited because the USA suplied them with a shit load of weapons and money. the palestinans got nothing and were defenseless. On the other hand, more recent years, the palestinians have gained weapons and acted violently towards the israelies. And the viokence continued and isreal put up a wall and built settlements on palestinian land which then got attacked etc etc. In conclusion its a big mess.

 

I support the people, not the governments.

 

Good thread.
I find myself leaning towards Israeli... but only because I've been raised Christian, so I've learned that they are perfect people who will always survive... Which is pretty fucking gay as I've thought about it over the past few months.
The US supports Israel because they're God's chosen people and we're mainly Christian here. I'm sure if I ever take the time to look into it, I'll find myself in yet another disagreement with my outrageously closed-minded teachings I've recieved.

Anyone care to sum it up briefly for me?

 

First of all, how the hell can you say i just listen to the media? Im very well read on this issue.

The fact that you just make assumptions that i dont know about the issue pisses the hell out of me. I mean your two years older than me, yet you tell me that it goes back long before i was born? It goes long before you were born too.

First of all israel hasent done shit except for deffend themselves. They never tried to kick out palistineins who were living there. I have cousins who were killed by fucking suicide bombers so dont give me this shit.

Israel was not just randomly created. Palastiens continued to atack jews living in the area, and the jews had just been killed in the numbers of 6 million. There was no palastien state before there was an isreali state. They were both created at the same time. And certainly no one told the plastiniens to get the hell out of israel. And your talking about little respect for the natives? Your acting like the palastinins where the only ones there before the states were formed. Both parties had been there for centuries. Your talking about me only listening to the media. its sounds like your the one doing that. If i had been i sure as hell wouldent be on the israeli side considering the way the media protrays israel.

 

i support palestine over there they are my arab cousins dude my family is from lebanon so i'm arab. I think that Palestine needs their own sovereign nation like the West Bank and Gaza Strip the Israeli army occupies most those two areas and are restricting trade to them. It's unfair what Israel is doing, I think we need to go to the UN on this and get popular opinion towards that so nations bordering Israel can threaten to intervene if they do not leave Palestine completely alone.

 

Is that why the israeli government is building a wall that is negatively impacting thousands of palestinians and the environment? In the past 10 years Israel has destroyed thousands of homes, is that not displacement?

 

To both of the posts above this. What israel is doing is called SELF DEFFENSE!!!! Palastinens are bombing the shit out of them. People cant go out in the street without worrying for there own lives. People are coming over those boarders every day and blowing up schools, cafes, busses, and everything inbetween. If this wasent happening then this wouldent be nessesary.

The other nations boarding israel arent threatening israel because they recongnize that a large portion of palastinens are radical extremists that are dangerous. They used to oppose israel. Then they realized they were wrong.

Israel has begun to give back part of the gaza strip and the west bank. They have no problem doing that as long as they dont have to worry for their own safty in doing so.

 

sorry jusdino i was not refering to you, rather to the origonal poster or anyone who does not know about the issue but has decided to vote one way or another.

might I just add that I am shocked and somehow amused at your response, assuming I was attacking you, then re-writing many of the things I wrote and saying how I didnt understand them? What are you on crack man. na, my appologies anyway if I have offended you, but I do know my history.
Anyhow its a stupid conflict, too many innocent lives lost.

 

i voted who cares, they can blow each other up if they want.

 

Thats the problem though. It is a stupid conflict. And israel realizes that. They havent made an offensive attack in years. They want peace. Palestine on the other hand just likes fighting.

 

Soooo, this thread kinda stirs some debate eh?

personally, i think that the way Isreal reacts and uses "self defense" has been criticized due to its lack of precision attacks. They tend to blow up anyone who they want, and most people dont like that. I understand that they get attacked, but i dont think there responses are appropriate.

I also think that the way that isreals nation was created was not gone about in the right way, and the fact comes down to it that it is a holy land for all religions and not just for Jewish and Christian people.

Also the recent power cut from Palestinian territories have forced people to blow up walls to escape there homeland for food.

 

one of the MANY offensive attacks by isreal

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-01/17/content_7442139.htm

Also, end the seige on Gaza which is causing a humanitarian nightmare to all the elderly and unborn babys trapped without power in Gaza

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article9090.shtml


Im not trying to offend anyone on here, i just think alot of people in the states and europe kind of see the issue one way, and its not a issue of whos land is who, its about people coexisting

 

^Are you serious with that first quote? Offensive attack by israel??? The killed 15 hamas millitants? Thats what war is. Read the whole god damn article. Hamas fired 45 rockets at israel and they responded by attacking a few of them back? And your saying israel is int he wrong there?

The isrealies want to coexist. They palestinens where the ones who started attacking israel years ago.

As for the second link, its a palestinen support sight. How about you give an unbiased link.

Look at the deaths from the conflict right here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in_the_Israeli-Palestinian_conflict_2001

Notice how almost all of the deaths are deaths of israeles?

 

actually if you go to 2007 and not 2001 you will see the real stats.

and if you actually want to debate the how isreal has cut its power supply with palestine due to rocket attacks by radical groups, just read any news page. Why punish a whole population due to a group of extremist

 

i couldnt give less of a shit, if there was a "least i can do" i wouldnt

 

Are you serious??? Your criticizing them for temperarlly shutting down power to prevent themselves from being bombed??? Your right. They are horrible.

As for the "real stats" being in 2007. They are all realy stats you fucking retard. They are all real deaths. Israel has not attacked pallestin except for in direct responce to an attack on them in years.

If dick cheany, probually one of the most intollurant anti-semetic people in the country supports israel, then you know they cant be that bad.

 

you gave a link to 2001 deaths. If you look at 2007 alone, isreal hsa killed 30 somethin civillians, and wounded almost 200

your right though. Even though most countries in the world right now are criticizing isreals tactics