Is it possible to smoke caffine?

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by DavidRig2006, Oct 13, 2005.

  1. DavidRig2006

    DavidRig2006 Member

    Messages:
    113
    Likes Received:
    0
    Is it possible to smoke caffine?
     
  2. HippyLandscaper

    HippyLandscaper learning a new way

    Messages:
    2,078
    Likes Received:
    1
    I don't know, not that I have ever heard. It's possible to smoke a turkey, but it is really hard to find papers that big.
     
  3. bedlam

    bedlam Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,106
    Likes Received:
    11
    ummm well l have never done it... never really thought about it untill I read this thread... hummm l wonder
     
  4. hippypaul

    hippypaul Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

    Messages:
    1,869
    Likes Received:
    1
    Caffeine can be absorbed through any mucus membrane. Years ago, they gave coffee enemas as a stimulant. However, it is also possible to OD on caffeine so I would be sure of the dose.
     
  5. bedlam

    bedlam Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,106
    Likes Received:
    11
  6. hippypaul

    hippypaul Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

    Messages:
    1,869
    Likes Received:
    1
    More than you ever wanted to know

    From Desk Reference to the Diagnostic Criteria from DSM-3-R (American Psychiatric Association, 1987):

    Caffeine-Induced Organic Mental Disorder 305.90 Caffeine Intoxication

    Recent consumption of caffeine, usually in excess of 250 mg.
    At least five of the following signs:
    restlessness
    nervousness
    excitement
    insomnia
    flushed face
    diuresis
    gastrointestinal disturbance
    muscle twitching
    rambling flow of thought and speech
    tachycardia or cardiac arrhythmia
    periods of inexhaustibility
    psychomotor agitation
    Not due to any physical or other mental disorder, such as an Anxiety Disorder.
    Basically, overdosing on caffeine will probably be very very unpleasant but not kill or deliver permanent damage. However, People do die from it.

    Toxic dose
    The LD_50 of caffeine (that is the lethal dosage reported to kill 50% of the population) is estimated at 10 grams for oral administration. As it is usually the case, lethal dosage varies from individual to individual according to weight. Ingestion of 150mg/kg of caffeine seems to be the LD_50 for all people. That is, people weighting 50 kilos have an LD_50 of approx. 7.5 grams, people weighting 80 kilos have an LD_50 of about 12 grams.

    In cups of coffee the LD_50 varies from 50 to 200 cups of coffee or about 50 vivarins (200mg each).

    One exceptional case documents survival after ingesting 24 grams. The minimum lethal dose ever reported was 3.2 grams intravenously, this does not represent the oral MLD (minimum lethal dose).

    In small children ingestion of 35 mg/kg can lead to moderate toxicity. The amount of caffeine in an average cup of coffee is 50 - 200 mg. Infants metabolize caffeine very slowly.



    Symptoms
    Acute caffeine poisoning gives early symptoms of anorexia, tremor, and restlessness. Followed by nausea, vomiting, tachycardia, and confusion. Serious intoxication may cause delirium, seizures, supraventricular and ventricular tachyarrhythmias, hypokalemia, and hyperglycemia.
    Chronic high-dose caffeine intake can lead to nervousness, irritability, anxiety, tremulousness, muscle twitching, insomnia, palpitations and hyperreflexia. For blood testing, cross-reaction with theophylline assays will detect toxic amounts. (Method IA) Blood concentration of 1-10 mg/L is normal in coffee drinkers, while 80 mg/L has been associated with death.
    Treatment
    Emergency Measures
    Maintain the airway and assist ventilation. (See Appendix A)
    Treat seizures & hypotension if they occur.
    Hypokalemia usually goes away by itself.
    Monitor Vital Signs.

    Specific drugs & antidotes. Beta blockers effectively reverse cardiotoxic effects mediated by excessive beta-adrenergic stimulation. Treat hypotension or tachyarrhythmias with intravenous propanolol, .01 - .02 mg/kg. , or esmolol, .05 mg/kg , carefully titrated with low doses. Esmolol is preferred because of its short half life and low cardioselectivity.
    Decontamination
    Induce vomiting or perform gastric lavage.
    Administer activated charcoal and cathartic.
    Gut emptying is probably not needed if 1 2 are performed promptly.
    Appendix A
    Performing airway assistance.
    If no neck injury is suspected, place in the "Sniffing" position by tilting the head back and extending the front of the neck.
    Apply the "Jaw Thrust" to move the tongue out of the way without flexing the neck: Place thumb fingers from both hands under the back of the jaw and thrust the jaw forward so that the chin sticks out. This should also hurt the patient, allowing you to judge depth of coma. :)
    Tilt the head to the side to allow vomit and snot to drain out.
    From conversations on alt.drugs.caffeine:
    The toxic dose is going to vary from person to person, depending primarily on built-up tolerance. A couple people report swallowing 10 to 13 vivarin and ending up in the hospital with their stomaches pumped, while a few say they've taken that many and barely stayed awake.

    A symptom lacking in the clinical manual but reported by at least two people on the net is a loss of motor ability: inability to move, speak, or even blink. The experience is consistently described as very unpleasant and not fun at all, even by those very familiar with caffeine nausea and headaches.
     
  7. Oz!

    Oz! Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

    Messages:
    3,617
    Likes Received:
    9
    well ya, can smoke tea leaves, if yer really want to....and they are loaded with caffiene.....
     
  8. mystical_shroom

    mystical_shroom acerbic

    Messages:
    31,804
    Likes Received:
    21
    try smoking some draino...all the kids are doing it..[​IMG]
     
  9. hippychickmommy

    hippychickmommy Sugar and Spice

    Messages:
    17,217
    Likes Received:
    26
    I admit that I have a love affair with caffeine, but I don't think I'd go that far. ;)
     
  10. nesta

    nesta Banned

    Messages:
    20,538
    Likes Received:
    10
    hey, there are plenty of drug forums, theres no need to keep posting these things here.
     
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice