is God Still Dead?

When Nitzsche said this he reffers to the fact that god has stoped beging in peoples live. They don't bleave in him anymore. This may have been ture in Nitzsche's time but is it still true? Do you think people don't really regard God anymore. Rember a god is nothing without worshipers.

 

What do you mean by the term, "God". It stands to reason that since there is no proof of the existence of a god Nietzche could not have been reffering to anything, therefore the sentence is without meaning. It is the same as if I were to say "munugunum is dead"
There is no point of reference we can be objective about and therefore any argument about it is rediculously illogical.

 

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I think Nietzsche said God is dead (and yes I did read it in Thus Spake Zarathustra) because God has all the qualities of a dead person. I agree that he meant that God never existed, but he didn't say that, he said God is dead.

 

Nietzsche only said god was dead as an acknowledgement that god lived in some way that involved worshippers. It was not so much a statement of truth as a device to make people understand the nature of god
god as a mental illness or an aberation of mind

 

He (christian deity) is in critical condition and is currently on life-support.

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I think Nietzsche referred to ethical values that are dead. The morality and behaviour of men were doubtful in Nietzsche's time.

 

The more I think about this the more I remember that as a student of philosophy it was not so much what Nietzsche said but the way in which he said it that was important, and I believe Green has a good point here, that made me change my previous opinion, it is indisputable that he said "GOD IS DEAD" the only debate is what that means. It is not exactly like saying "today I ate a cake" that is unambiguous but to say "god is dead" is only disambiguated if he meant it in a literal sense IE: god did once exist as a real entity but now he is dead. I cannot see what purpose it would serve to say "god is dead if he did not literally mean it.

Ah this little debate going on here is good. we should work this out between us if we can - I would be grateful if you could add more to your statements.

 

When Nietzche said "God is Dead" he was trying to convey the fact that the traditional conceptions of absolutes had been shattered in his time. Ideas like meaning, truth, reason (all that had been the guiding principles in the enlightenment) were now gone; they had been replaced by nihilism. Of course, he didn't believe that God had once existed and had then died, he was a staunch atheist.

 

When he said "God is dead". he meant that that need for god is useless in our day and age with so much science, evidence, ect.

He meant that god was an object of the past that our ancestors used to explain things; but we no longer need the god idea.

 

well i don't think christianity, or any other organized belief, has a damd thing to do with whatever god or gods there may or may not be.

yes i'm pretty sure nishi (howeverthehellicantrememberhowitisspelt) was refering to the demise of the justification for convincing ourselves everything had to have been created and remain under the manual control of some single sentient awairness.

as for the actual demise of something we can only speculate about anyway, well what if anything can that actualy mean? the possibilities of one god, no god, or zillions of gods, reamain as equaly real as each other as they always have been. and continue to have as little to do with what we experience in our everyday lives as they ever have as well.

you and i may be dead one of these days though. that happens.
untill then we are alive and with what may be more important questions to consider.

=^^=
.../\...

 

Well

The gods of contemporary human religion might be on the same path
as odin and zues. Who are now apparently.. dead.

But human religion has never been very connected to reality, only to egos.

The concept of a god/gods is alive and well.
Its just out childish fumblings with the concept that are 'passing over'

Occam

 

humanity gives life to dieties, and humanity can take it away.

 

When speaking of religion, this is true.

But who, defined the inverse square law?
Complex mathematical systems dont just 'appear'

Quantum law came from where.? random result?

Did time dilation and special relativity, just come to be.?

Either this universe has experienced at least 100 to 200 gerarations of
evolving distributed systems.
Or god made the lot on sept 23 4004 BC.

Occam refuses to believe 'god made the lot'. Such a path results in more
contradictions than it solves.. a reducing equation.
its like saying
Reaity rests on the back of a turtle [an old eastern prposition]
so what does THAT turtle rest on, another turtle
And onother, and another.
Infinite turtles, ALL THE WAY DOWN

Occam has sugested our universe itself is an evolved structure.
But no-one wants to hear it.
Too much duration.
Seems occam is a fool to think time has no 'god given start'
Yet science thinks the same. Science says time does... why?

LOL..

Occam

 

looking at this thread, I can conclude:
Nietzche is dead.

 

there are nontangable somethings that i experience as not dead.

what this signifys i do not know.

the question of a god being dead seems somehow a bit meaningless.

=^^=
.../\...

 

Themnax

But your belief is not religious.
This why i love u...

Any human description of god will pass.
Just takes time.
Look at odin
look a zues.

These guys WERE THE GODS of our great forefathers.

ALL ,, gone now...just myth.
dead

Occam thinks that the christian 'father' will go soon the same way.
BUT, christ, will persist for millenia. For we all know christianity stole
christs name and beliefs.

precedent.

Plato, aristotle live on , but zues is dead.
Cause plato and aristotle were thinking beings.
Zues never had a thought worth remembering.
HOW did that happen?

Yahweh is a non event, christ, is all that ever meant anything.
And he thought religion a thing of evil.

Occam

 

And they aren't now? lol

 

Actually, God is staging a comeback. And that's certainly NOT a good thing. I say we keep trying to bury the muthafucka till you won't hear of him again.

 

Still not quite dead, but reminiscent of the Terry Shivo case from two years ago.

The point of the essay is not just that people are losing faith due to science (science having explained the things about life that religion had explained in the past), it is also a critique of science.

"What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun?"
We are now unpiloted, without direction.

"Are we not straying as through and infinite nothing?[...] Has it not become colder?"
Nihilism, life has now lost meaning.

"Is not night continually closing in on us? Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning?"
Don't we feel the inevitability of death? Do we not still need guidance?

"...who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves?"
Where will our moralities come from, if we have killed that which mandated moralities?

"Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"
Where god filled a void before, we must now do so. If it took a god to do so before, how can we as humans expect to do such a thing?

"I have come too early, my time is not yet. This tremendous event it still on its way, still wandering; it has not yet reached the ears of men [...] This deed is still more distant from them than the most distant stars - *and yet they have done it themselves.*"
Most important part, for it gives it immortality - it hasn't happened yet, God is dead but we don't know it yet, yet we are the ones who killed him.

There are also elements of The Gay Science 344 (How we, too, are still pious) in TGS 125 (God is dead), but I'm too lazy to put it in now.

@Occam - those things are invented by humans as a description of how nature works. I could look up who made up the inverse square law, but I'm too lazy and I want to go to bed. Basically, there is some sort of description of how things work based on our experience in this universe. But in terms of Nietzsche's philosophy, this is separate from Life.