Indians and Witchcraft

Discussion in 'Weird, Bizarre and Mysterious' started by Flannelwearin'gal, Mar 19, 2008.

  1. Flannelwearin'gal

    Flannelwearin'gal .robert.johnson.fan.

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    How come no one ever considered what the indians did as witchcraft?
    And people just considered it as crazy indian stuff

    I don't understand why
     
  2. Hesh

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    im lakota sioux... what kinda "indians" u talking about? :D haha, there are many.
    i guess some things can be considered witchcraft... what do u consider witchcraft in indian ceremonies?
     
  3. Flannelwearin'gal

    Flannelwearin'gal .robert.johnson.fan.

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    yes and yes
     
  4. Hesh

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    yes, yes what. im asking u, what u think is considered witchcraft.
     
  5. heron

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    As a witch, proper, meaning saxon heathen mystic, which is what the word witch means, I would look at what their mystic did and call it witchcraft. But as I prefer my peoples words, I am sure that he/she would want the same.

    I would also call them heathens, that myself, but again, that is my native word, and would use theirs for them.
     
  6. Flannelwearin'gal

    Flannelwearin'gal .robert.johnson.fan.

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    oh, gotcha

    i consider witchcraft anything using magick to get youre way in something
     
  7. heron

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    Oh, well in that case, you have no idea whatsoever what witchcraft is.
     
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  9. heron

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    Pixie, you hav to consider that when you read the bible, you are reading a translation of a translation....the word witch and witchcraft were used by the
    Christian translators in place of many different words in the original texts...say there were five different hebrew words for five different mystic practices, and only witchcraft was used in the translation for all of them....kinda changes it a little.

    But witchcraft is a specific word for a specific practice.
     
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  11. heron

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    Granted, but your point still supports that witchcraft is what christians deem it....not what it truly is....as an english speaker, and a witchworker myself, I agree that it was, as any indigenous cultures mystic practices would be. Anthropologists use Shaman, which is a Tungus word, English speakers say Witch...basically same function, practices and role.
     
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  13. heron

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    oh, well then I have no more to say about it for a while then lol....good to have met you here.
     
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  15. Allonym

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    not a major world religion like xianity/judaism/islam/hinduism/etc = witchcraft now?
    positive mental thinking also counts as witchcraft?

    medicine men and shamans are the more common words used by native communities insofar as im aware btw, not witches or witchery
     
  16. heron

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    natives don't use the word medicine men or shaman as much as you would think, at least the ones who know what they are talking about. "Medicine Man" is what the English speakers called them, and Shaman is a word introduced by 19th century Anthropologists.

    Besides, witchcraft isn't a religion, it is a vocation, a role and practice, and anyone who says that witchcraft IS their religion, they probably read a few books on pseudo-witchery and identified with that.
     
  17. yarapario

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    Heron, I like the way you present your thoughts and feelings about witchcraft. I've spent a fair amount of time with native people both in the states and in South America. I've seen how they weave their lives around the gifts that earth provides and how they invite the spirits into their lives for blessing. How does witchcraft look in your life? Is it something that can be seen or described or is it more a thing of where your heart and spirit are?
     
  18. heron

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    In my life? Witchcraft is my art, literally means power to bend. The Witch talks to gods, spirits and the dead to gain their wisdom of wyrd, to bring together their seat of conciousness with their fetch, in the Grand Initiation, and become amoung the Grand Array of the Wise Pale Folk, and become Allwise, so that they die before dying, and not pushed blindly into the darkness of Hard Fate. And that is just the beginning.
     
  19. Allonym

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    mwell, all the native folk i know use the term medicine man :D
     
  20. Toby Stanley

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    It would be a mistake to attribute any naming convention (native, european or otherwise) to those differing from the general population since these same names are simply preconceptions which only serve to confuse or mask the true traits/gifts of what should be considered a blessing conferred on a select few...
     
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