I'm confused

Discussion in 'Libertarian' started by madlizard, Jan 7, 2007.

  1. madlizard

    madlizard Senior Member

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    No longer confused. Starting to understand that I'm pretty apolitical. I realize I still have a lot to learn, but this thread no longer applies because I realized that I'll never stop learning. :)

    Thanks for all the replies, though :)
     
  2. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    At sixteen I don't really think you can have a realistic viewpoint on politics. Sorry. I realize you are a person, and worthy of respect. But at sixteen with your life experience you are probably going to embrace your parents views or go in a completely different direction to make a point. But you haven't received enough education or life experience to really judge...sorry.
     
  3. madlizard

    madlizard Senior Member

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    I see what you're saying but considering that I'll be voting in less than two years I want to label my political opinions as well as I can.. at least for the time being..
     
  4. Eeso

    Eeso Member

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    What is it exactly you are confused about?
     
  5. madlizard

    madlizard Senior Member

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    Well, it's more-so that I'm looking for a label.. something to base my political views on.

    I have the basics of what I know I believe in, and that's probably most important, but it'd be nice to have a basic (though probably loose) label to put myself under.
     
  6. Eeso

    Eeso Member

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    Don't be so eager to label yourself. You believe what you believe, and as you said, that's what is most important; Making your own informed decision about issues. Not just allying with a political affiliation and using that as your justification for leaning a certain way. If you're confused, read more, knowledge is power as it's said.

    Myself, I usually refer to as a classical-liberal / Jeffersonian, sort of a minarchist, which is certainly closely related to libertarian (small L) philosophy. But my views don't all ways follow the accepted definition of those labels.
     
  7. Snowman5000

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    Just do what you feel is right man. Vote the way you want to vote. Not the way a party wants you to.
     
  8. Rar1013

    Rar1013 GroovaMama

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    In my opinion...and i hope to not get attacked by saying this...liberals do not want to stay out of your life, they want to control it...

    and yeah..don't be so eager to label....nothing wrong w/ wanting to belong but views can be gathered from both sides of the spectrum.......
     
  9. Eeso

    Eeso Member

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    Wait what?

    libertarian != modern "liberal"

    The term "liberal" today is used to mean something rather removed from its original definition.

    The single axis 'liberal' vs. 'conservative' measurement so prevelant in political discussions is far to simplistic to be anything other than bullshit. Neither word is used properly with respect to their roots.

    Hence my using 'classical-liberal' to identify with.
    It doesn't mean what you think it means.

     
  10. thespeez

    thespeez Member

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    This is why David Nolan who was one of the founders of the Libertarian party came up with a two-dimensional chart which more accurately reflects people's political views.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_chart
    http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
    http://www.freedomkeys.com/whoshould4.htm#quiz
    http://freedomkeys.com/nolancharts.htm

    Which is one of the reasons I refer to so-called modern liberals as socialists, leftists or left-wing socialists. They want 'liberation' only on their terms. At the same time you could refer to 'conservative' types as right-wing socailists or perhaps fascists.

    I pretty much fall into the same category. If you really want insights on constitutional matters, be sure to check out:www.save-a-patriot.org

    If you're so concerned in defining yourself, let's just say that you seem quite libertarian. If you'd like more information check out the links below in addition to the ones which I included above.
    http://www.lp.org/
    http://www.libertarianism.com/
    I hope this helps!
     
  11. FunkyPhreshMama

    FunkyPhreshMama Visitor

    once you start using labels, you feel obligated to vote for people from the party you associate yourself with even if there isnt a great candidate from that party running, in all honesty, vote for who you think can do the job best =)
     
  12. Pepik

    Pepik Banned

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    You sound libertarian to me. Except you didn't mention any issues related to economics/business. If you think that freedom and government non-intervention should apply to the economy, case closed, you're a libertarian.
     
  13. madlizard

    madlizard Senior Member

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    No longer confused..

    Thanks everyone.

    :)
     
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