If there is a god... what created god?

Hmm? Where did god come from if there is a god?

 

First I'd like to say, welcome to the club. You're the third person to use that avatar that isn't female, and yet we continue to spread confusion using it. Can't a guy just have long hair and put a flower in there, aye?

Anyway ...

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If God exists, who created he/she/it, you ask?

I personally believe that God (or, due to my beliefs, what I call "Gaia") sort of exists on a 1 to 0 scale, like as a computer.

It just sort of happened that absolution was a "1" instead of a "0," and Gaia/God existed. Just kind of like that. No reason, just randomness and a 50-50 chance. And then, Gaia/God created this universe (and potentially other universes). Just by her/his own will.

Those are only my beliefs though, no flames please. =)

 

Nah I wouldnt flame you, yer too nice... and yer totally right... cant a guy have long black hair and put a flower in it without looking like a girl?

People have argued with me before, that god is something that has just always been here, and was never really created... they said I just couldnt contemplate it.

But that makes no sense at all to me... If someone can take a concept like a god, and say that it has just "always been here" and than never question it anymore past that... than why cant the same person take the concept of life and the universe... and just say its "always been here"

 

Mui your question is absurd.

First it is important to note that you are basing the question on the assumption that God exists [for clarification reasons I am assuming and am referring to the traditional God of most western culture and religion, if you are referring to something else please define it].

For a rational person to assume that God exists than he has to have a rational understanding of what is meant by God.

If you understood what God meant than you would understand that He is infinite. He exists outside of our realm of time and place. Therefore there is no beginning and no end, God always just ‘is’.

But you ask where God came from so I am left to believe that you do not have a complete understanding of God or are speaking of some other god.

 

no see, god doesnt exist. nice way of putting it to make your beliefs seem maybe somewhat reasonable though.

 

To answer your questions you must first define what you mean by "God". There is no one definition.

 

First, cut and paste a quote from my post that posits my belief in God.

Second, cut and paste, in a quote, my argument [ie reason] for my belief in God.

Now that you have done that you will see that I made no reference to my beliefs and made no arguments to defend them. This is a discussion about the attributes of a concept and can go on independently of actual belief because we are assuming belief. I think that should clear up the second sentence of your wonderfully witty post.

As for the first sentence. It seems a little contrary to the reason of the thread. You begin by accepting the existence of God ...

but then deny him that existence in your last post.

To state that God does not exist is to have missed the assumption made upon reading your first post. It is made quite laughable because it is you saying it!

As it stands, your original question is absurd. You can not rationally discuss the definition of God if you do not have an understanding of God [or at least what is meant and attributed to God].

You can’t possibly understand God, and hence can not rationally discuss the concept. That is easy to see in your question.

What say you?

 

Reading through this thread, it seems like the question was ill phrased and should be reattempted. A better way to say it is this:

There is a universe, in which things occur, seemingly through cause and effect. Since we view the universe as an entity, we wish to know what caused/started it. Throughout history people have posited the existance of a First Cause (i.e. God). The question here tonight is, why can we assume this First Cause/God is infinite and without beginning nor a thing that needs a cause, but we cannot siimply assume those qualities of the universe and be done with it? Why posit a mystical, unknowable, undetectable, indifinable God, when doing so only begs the question, "what caused God?"

Either you arbitrarily answer "nothing" or you revert to infinite regression, an infinite number of causes (god's creating gods?) stretching back into the infinite past...thus solving nothing. It's better to stick with what we know we have: a universe which MAY OR MAY NOT have had a beginning. Go from there, and not from the unfounded idea of a First Cause God.

 

does so, does so. In my world Spirit does exist. In your world God does not.
We can both be right, and the only issue I have is with people trying to tell me that they are right, they 'know', and I dont. Then they attempt to sway me to their truth. I dont care if my beliefs seem somewhat reasonable to you or anyone, if you want to believe i am a total nutbar, you go right ahead, I could not care less.

 

The question asked here was not 'does God exist' but who created God.
The short answer is no-one. God is infinite existence, outside and inside of time.

 

Lets cut to the jist of the question:

"If there's a creator, where did that creator come from?"

Now for some logic-

The question is moot. "Before Creation" is non-sequitor.

Since Time is part of creation, than it could not exist before creation (i.e. before it was created). The concept of "before" is thus irrelevant, and the question must be modified to read

"Is there a creator?"

and so, indeed, the question IS "does god exist?".

And the best answer to date is, "maybe, maybe not".

 

Hello gecko,

How's the leg ?

Seems this God/Creation topic has come up again, and here we meet again...

Time does not exist.
If only timelessness and nothingness existed in the begining...then what in that could be the reactor to make something ?

Only one thing answers that: Conciousness

Think about it...

 

Hola!

Still can't walk worth a crap.
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"counciosness"- If only we could put our finger on it...

 

Yes it does. Look at the extreme bottom right of your computer screen. There, I proved it. Space and time are one in the same. Things take time to happen, if there were no time there would be no events. Period.

 

An alien race created our universe, and made its laws known to us as physics.

 

Time and space and photon's seem to be having a hard time of it these days.....Einstien said the magic word "relativity"....it's just all so relative to how each of us percieves it....
I still cannot be budged off my theory that consciousness existed within timlessness and nothingness and that conciousness was the catalyst of everything.....
I call that consciousness god, and it could be defined as a creator, except I think we are all\everything a part of that consciousness, therefore we must be creating ourselves, which corresponds to Darwin....

 

" God exists in eternity. The only point where eternity meets time is in the present. The present is the only time there is. "



Marianne Williamson

I don't know how to explain the precognitive dreams I have had, but my current theory is just what she says, the present is the only time there is. All eternity exists in the present. I am likely wrong, but haven't yet thought up another explanation.

 

First, your font color is really hard for me to read, not sure if it's my screen or what...

second, I think I can agree to that quote. I know according to Reletivity Theory that time is not absolute, that it is curved like space (which makes sense, because they are part of the same thing, space-time). Furthermore, Past and Future are human constructs that don't literally exist. So, not only does God exist in eternity/Now, so does everything. Where (when) else would it be?

But time still exists as a necessary property in the universe, it allows the flow of events. It's a different concept of time than the idea of an absolute time that exists literally, past present and future.

 

How about this?
If the time "eternally now" theory is correct, and everything was absolute and "eternally now" .....that's what I think consciousness is: not time, just an absolute....