a friend of mine has described a psychedelic experience to me that she did not particularly enjoy and i would like to uncover what research chemical it may have been. the tab was obtained from bonnaroo two years ago. she took one plain "greyish" blotter and it took close to 2 hours to onset. there were visuals particularly swirling, but not anything "seeing things that weren't there." the body buzz was very tense for the entire experience (not that warm melty feeling of LSD), which lasted ROUGHLY 12 hours. she experienced pain and swelling in her finger joints and reportedly in all the joints in her body. lastly, at the end of the experience, the chemical hit hard--sort of peaked--and then started to go away. she said she had a fairly bad trip. i think the most notable points are that she was experiencing tension and swelling. *EDIT* it also made her sweat a lot even though she was indoors at night. and she said her friend who was also on the drug was experiencing lots of twitching. what could this have been? any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks.
taken just from the fact that it was in blotter form and the effects you described it could have been bromo-dragonfly (see http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4382982/an/Forum4/page/0) only the duration of effects you stated is not consitant with that of bromoDfly ...ask 2cesarewild, he would prolly know more about it than me
i'm waiting for him to respond. this stuff was not bromo-dragonfly. that takes much longer to kick in and lasts much longer too. also, it doesn't cause any of those symptoms that i know of.
ya thats what i thought...it was probably some sort of research chemical, i'll try to find out for you
Most likely not d-fly...it wouldn't have been sold at Bonnaroo that long ago; most likely DOI or another DOx, which d-fly is derived from and can fit on a standard hit of blotter paper. Figuring a standard ~1.5 mg hit of DOx should last around 12-14 hours, along with light visuals and amphetamine-like side-effects, I believe this would be a safe presumption...
most likely DOI eh? tension, swelling, twitching? what about the others like DOB and DOM (STP)? i'd assume it wasn't STP, but how can you tell the difference between things like DOB and DOI?
It's likely to be AMT or an analogue thereof (5-Me-AMT, 5-MeO-AMT, etc.). I have heard that AMT is often used as a substitute for LSD and is put on blotters and sold as LSD, and that it causes a lot of twitching and straining feelings.
^sorry brother, you heard wrong. AMT is taken in dosages higher than what would fit on a blotter. You are most likely thinking of 5 meo AMT, which which was quite common to find on blotter a couple years ago.
Er, here's what I said, friend. I wasn't sure which one it might have been, but it probably was an analogue of AMT, as you said.
how does that sound like the dr-fly? if it were a DOx compound i would suspect it be DOI. But (from what i hear) the biggest possible dose you could fit on 1 blotter would present no side effects, DOI is supposed to be 'really easy/comfortable'. BUT EVERYONE REACTS DIFF (this also makes it difficult to account for the "swelling" as ive never heard of that) 5-meo-aMT you need to dose pretty high especially for a long trip (+12hrs) and that dose wouldnt fit on 1 blotter itd be like 3.
DOI is NOT easy/comfortable. It is a psychedelic amphetamine. It acts just like speed, but with visuals basically. On one hit of the DOI I had I was floored like I chewed maaaaaaaad rolls or speed pills. Randomly getting a quick shake, clenching my jaw like a madman for hours upon hours, you know that good stuff. If there is such a thing as a dirty acid trip, that's what it feels like- DOI. The visuals aren't all too stimulating either. On the one hit trip I had, the visuals were like ... it's hard to explain... some people might know, but like if you chewed toooooons of ecstasy with a little bit of swirly type visuals. On about ten hits of it, the visuals got a little bit crazier though, and the full blown trip lasted for about 48 hours. All in all, not a fun time. LSD STILL reigns supreme... As for what your friend took at the roo, I was going to guess one of the do's at first, but then I re-read the list of symptoms. They sound a bit worse than DOI's side effects, with a little bit shorter experience.
Sounds like DO* to me. DOB, for example, does have some undesirable side-effects including vasoconstriction, which could possibly explain the tension and swelling.
PIHKAL states that a standard dose of DOM (STP) lasts 14+ hours, so one would assume that a lower dose (~1.5 mg) would last approximately 12 hours. Even then, is she counting 12 hours from ingestion or 12 hours from the initial effects? Add 2 hours for onset and voila'...
yeah, i don't know exactly how long it lasted, so 12 is a ballpark figure. it could be a couple more hours, but not likely to be as high as 18 or so.
If it was on blotter, it really couldn't have been much. The DOB, DOM, etc. i dont know much about, and ive never taken them. I've never heard of this "Bromo Dragonfly" drug, and i dont remember ever hearing of it through erowid, so by instinct i'd assume it was bs, like the whole 'mescaline microdot' deal. with the exception of things like DOB/M, and LSD, i dont think anything can really fit on a little blotter like that. I've heard salvinorin-A in a really pure sample can be psychoactive in that dose, but that's all i know of. Maybe she just had a bad reaction to LSD, as that's probably what it was. was she on any medication or had taken any self-prescribed drugs in the recent past that might have interacted with LSD? antidepressants, etc.?
Dragonfly is definitely not BS; I sampled some straight from the lab last week...however, since this happened so long ago one could only assume it was DOx...
and what about the AMT derivatives like 5-meo-amt? are those ruled out yet? are we down to DOx compounds?
It's possible that it was Alpha, but a 2 mg dose would be pretty light and shouldn't produce effects longer than 8 hours.
