Human race

Discussion in 'Existentialism' started by Phaypher, Jul 16, 2007.

  1. Phaypher

    Phaypher Member

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    Let`s think about human race...
    Is it good? Bad? Did it ruin everything? Or would the some other form of
    inteligence that maybe should of evolved instead humans have done the same?
    What can we do? Continue to grow and suck all the energy out of our
    mother planet? Make a suicide of the whole race? Why can`t humans live in harmony with nature? Why can`t humans live in harmony with themselves? Is it good that
    human race has evolved and made all the beuty on Earth: music, poetry, art ect. Or is it just beuty for us? What do we do when it get`s time to cry
    for help, will anyone be listening??? The bigest problem of a normal human: selfishness, IT cares only for himself and his closest ones, not for next generations, not for a comunity, not for the whole world, only for his lifetime of existance!

    Questions to be answered!
     
  2. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

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    I think the human race, like anything from nature, cannot be called 'good and evil', cause those are human terms.
    I don't think the earth is alive, or that nature guides or actions. But if i did i would think that humans are probably the equivilent of a nice ice age, or meteor impact.
    nature likes to periodically destroy most life on the planet.
    we do to.
    It's what we're best at.
     
  3. Phaypher

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    I agree that there IS NO good or evil, but NO, nature doesn`t destroy for no reason.
    Nature is based on preservance, it takes how much it needs and exploits nothing else.

    Or think more, has life meening? Or is it a plague in the universe that makes unbalance................................................?
     
  4. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

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    even if it's a plauge it has meaning, or at least a purpose.
     
  5. Fallout55

    Fallout55 Banned

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    It is not our design to live in harmony, thats where we stray from mammals and show our true collors as a mold or cancer. I think our biggest problem is not realalizing what we really are, we carry on our own path oblivious to the fact that they all connect in to one action, that is killing the world by slowly sucking everythign out of it and tipping the ballance. We also fail to realalize, much like a cancerous tissue that we are the means to our own end. We will not only kill the planet but by doing so will end humanity.
     
  6. Phaypher

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    What? You R talking about purpose of life? Is not life just evolution of elements?
    It is not that humans want to destroy the planet OR themselves, it`s just their selfishness that`s doing it.
    So does life has meaning itself? Not as purpose of life, that`s not for us to answer.
    What was the NEED of few elements to form a life?
    And YES, humanity is a form of cancer, but not by it`s own will.
     
  7. Fallout55

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    What's the diffrence between meaning and purpose?
     
  8. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

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    I think it's a little arrogant to assume that we can 'kill' the planet, it's been here a lot longer than we have, and it's faced much harder challanges than our pathetic little race (after the proliferation of one celled plant life the atmosphere became so oxygenated that it caught on fire).
    And there is no 'balance'. it's just shit that happens (invasive species proliferate, and song birds die, it's the circle of life).
    I'm not saying that we can't change the world, or that we aren't changing it in a way that's bad for us.
    but in the end, i think that it's nature that will kill us, not the other way round.
     
  9. Phaypher

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    OMG, don`t ask stupid questions.

    Hm, right, planet is static, but we can and we will drastically change the nature. That`s
    what I mean when I say balance. A lot of species have already extinct because of us.
    A lot are goin` to. Yes, every natures creation which grows causes some chaos. But unlike humans it doesn`t change the climate and causes mass damage on a global scale!
     
  10. Fallout55

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    Answear my question I'm curious.
     
  11. Eugene

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    02 generating algae CAUGHT THE ATMOSPHERE ON FIRE.
    we may generate a lot of carbon dioxide.
    and we may introduce alien species.
    but we have not CAUGHT THE ATMOSPHERE ON FIRE.

    almost every species that has ever lived is extinct now.
    and we are not responsible for all of them.

    species just go extinct. climates change, nature kills off almost every form of life on the planet when it feels like it, sparking the next giant leap in evolution (if it were not for the comet that killed the dinos, the small furry mammals would never have become as wildly successful as we are today).

    I'm not saying that humans don't have an impact, and over the long term that impact is bad for US. However, to say that we are destroying nature is incorrect, nature is destructive, and if we send it too far out of balance it may very will kill us, but it will out live us.

    Some people see nature as a helpless child, that needs human's rational mind to guide it.
    it is not.
    it's more like a giant fish tank.
    we're pissing in our fish tank, a lot, we're also killing off a lot of the other fish.
    we may kill 99.99999% of life in the fish tank one day.
    but some algae will out live us, and will be the ancestor of what comes next.

    so, in conclusion.
    it is within our best interests (as a species as a whole) to be environmentally minded. Nature has no motives, and is not threatened (as a concept as a whole) by us, in fact it's still the other way round.
     
  12. Phaypher

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    Purpose-some role of existence, meaning-a hidden, or a formal message of something.
    For example, questions: What is it`s purpose? What does it mean? R NOT THE SAME!
     
  13. Phaypher

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    I disagree,

    Do some more research. Humans are generating huge amounts of carbon-dioxide and there is no eficient way to get it out of atmosphere.
    If it continues the temperature will drasticly change, and there is no living thing that can withstand more than 70C`. We think we can so quickly swich on alternative sources of energy, but no! Oil is of primary use, and when we run out of it, the only way to generate more is from charcoal wich we get from wood and that wood we get from cutting rain forrests!
     
  14. Fallout55

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    Thanks
     
  15. Eugene

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    I think that by the time we warm the planet to past 70c, the climate will have shifted so dramatically (not to mention the seal level changes) that if there are humans, they will be scattered and almost dead.

    and i'm pretty sure water bears can withstand temps past 70c, not sure about cochroaches.
    also, there's all the life in the ocean that won't be as affected (sea temps change very gradually, and sometimes not at all), as well as the bizarre creatures that gather around geothermal wells in the deep ocean (which may be the common ancestors to all life on earth)...

    basically, we could destroy almost all the life on the planet, i don't think it's within our ability to destroy all of it completely. in the process we would surely snuff our own selves out. this is bad from my point of view, but nature couldn't care less.
     
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    I haven`t said anything about not destroying ourselves. And yes, no life form can withstand more than 70`C. I do believe that human life form is major threat to existence of life!
     
  17. i_was_in_shroom_land

    i_was_in_shroom_land Shroomier than you!

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    i think humans shouldnt have to wear clothes. its only natural. lol
     
  18. seeingblind

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    all things live and die this earth was created at one time just like our solar system, galaxy, and universe every moment the earth is turning on its axis revolving around the sun traveling thru our galaxy travelling through the space-time fabric of reality. meanwhile humans and all life forms are trvelling thru the same exact fabric as all of creation whether we percieve it or not. at the samae time celles are being born and dieing every moment atoms are constantly colliding attaching separating and wats within theses atoms is not entirely sure it could be vibratings strings of energy which could be nothing more than curved spactime vibrating and fluctuating constantly, infinitely creating all dimensions and perceptions of infinite reality death is not an end its a transition a journey which i believe becomes more clear to us the more we (we meaning existence as a whole connected dependant entity trying to endlessly understand and percieve of itself not "we" as individual finite perceptions of the same exact thing we call existence just from different focus points) experience it. if you look at our universe every stars death is a black hole which is also the death of everything that enters it, in the middle of every galaxy, which is comprised of billions of stars solar sytems possibly amazing life forms, is an enormous black hole which would dwarf our galaxy by unimaginable amounts of space all the matter in the galaxies and all the galaxys in the universe appear to be drifting towards these unexplainable vortexes. likewise the universe is still expanding but it will most likely reach an apex and suck into itself into a singular point of infinite density a dimension of space time where reletivity breaks down and not one scientist has ever been able to explain wat happened before the big bang nor wat will happen when this existence ends. its because of this fact that spirituality is not about understanding all of existence(altho i believe at some point on our journey we do finnally understand and find peace) watever happened before or after this universe will likely never be known to any human or life form in this dimension of reality, everything could cease existing their could be a birth of another universe a godlike deity could be controlling the very action, multiple histories infinite reincarnation, the rabbit hole will never end all we must do is realize that no matter wat happens their is truly nothing to fear. suffering much like ephoria is an illusion created from our perception of separation. all we can do is live and make every action, word, thought, and impact we make to the best of our ability and ultimately wat will happen will happen.

    much love to all
     
  19. Geechee

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    Well the human race was meant to be. When the mass extinction occurred that eradicated the dinosaurs , the only things that survived were the majority of aquatic life and small gopher-like burrowing mammals that eventually evolved into what we are today. So mass extinction was , and still is , essential. Eventually we exit in the frequency that the dinosaurs did and , in the event that planet earth somehow is still here , millions of years form now , some other “intelligent” life forms will study our bones and our fossils will provide oil and other fossil fuels like the dinosaur’s fossils do for us.

    Or

    Is the very concept and existence of life itself some sort of universal anomaly ? Our bodies are simply an arrangement of molecules. The calcium and zinc in our bones. The iron in our blood. The acids that constitute our DNA. It’s the same elements that make up the stars that blow up as novas and proceed to form a nebula, solar system, then repeat the cycle . We are nothing more than walking chemical reactions. Acids and proteins that bond together to form strands of DNA. Electricity running along nerve fibers jumping form one to the other. We are simply an extension of the universe.

    Or

    We could factor in that scientist have found small meteorites that contain trace gases that are released when organisms decompose. So there is even more proof that there is most likely life somewhere else in the universe. Maybe that’s how life came to be on earth. Maybe there was a cataclysmic cosmic event that caused an entire planet do end up in pieces. A piece of it , now being an asteroid with dormant bacteria on it, could have possibly impacted the earth. This also may fall in line with the moon theory. The theory that a large planetoid like object struck the earth , thus flinging trillions of tons of molten rock into space . That planetoid like object may have been a part of the former life bearing planet.

    You may also find interesting , a method of classifying how technologically advanced a civilization is. It was proposed by Soviet astronomer Nikolai Kardashev. It is known as the Kardashev Scale. I can’t find the book I read about in but it roughly states that there a 3 types of civilizations. Type 1,2, and 3. Type 1 harnesses all the energy of its current planet. Type 2 harnesses the power of the closest star. Type 3 harnesses the power of its galaxy. He estimates that we are currently at .67 on this scale. So you can imagine that it will be quite a while before we reach “Type 3”. However there is to be a asteroid in the 29th century that will be devastating to human life. Sounds like a mass extinction huh ?

    You can probably find a brief summary of his scale on Wikipedia.
     
  20. LanSLIde

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    The only thing we consider as "harming our world" are those things that come back to hurt us and those close to us as well. If we fuck up the environment, it doesn't hurt all life, just humans, and species alike to us that serve us in some way; the life will continue and adapt, even if we cannot. If something else should've gotten to this point rather than us, then it would have.

    Creation as a result of life is a beauty akin to creation from a God, and even if solely for our own enjoyment, it is worth being there. If people had the capacity to look after others as completely as they could themselves, then things would work out pretty well, but I'm not sure if that's possible. The good doctor can be healthy enough to take care of others his whole life.
     
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