How will the Obama administration handle the illegal alien problem?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by HawaiianEye, Jan 5, 2009.

  1. HawaiianEye

    HawaiianEye Member

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    Your opinions?Conservative estimates say the US has about 20 MILLION illegal aliens.Alot of them were "let in" during Bushs terms.I don't see one positive aspect in having ANY illegal aliens.All thats going to happen is greater competition for jobs and many of them will get public assistance(welfare etc.)--which should only be reserved for American citizens,alot of other problems too.If Obama is serious about getting the US back on track,this is an issue that must be addressed.
     
  2. xexon

    xexon Destroyer Of Worlds

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    The problem isn't with illegal aliens. They're managable. 99% of them are decent people looking for a better life.

    The real problem is those who write the policies into law that govern the rest of us. There is a slowly increasing circle of restraint in what we can do in our "free" society. We're being hemmed in with slow, incremental adjustments to our laws. It's being done in the name of the war on terrorism, illegal immigration, narco trafficking, etc.

    Corporate interests have become more important than public interests.

    You, as an individual citizens, are slowly having your voice surgically removed without you even knowing it.

    Obama will address this issue, because that's what front men do.



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  3. HawaiianEye

    HawaiianEye Member

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    It's in corporations best interests to have illegals.Many of the illegal alien advocacy groups are Big Businesses.For example Walmart would love illegal aliens to be made citizens.As far as decent people looking for a better life,well come to the US LEGALLY.Most countries in the civilized world are now limiting thier LEGAL immigration policies,forget about illegals, they are put in jail,then kicked out-which is exactly what the US should do.Anyone who employs them or rents/sells a house etc. should be thrown in jail.The US cannot be responsible for the worlds problems.
     
  4. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Well with the economy in the dumper, illegals in California are going home. It's a non-issue like flag burning and gay marriage. It's meant to help you take your eye off the real target. The gluttony of the rich and powerful.

    While we argue over the rights of the unborn, and the rights of gays to marry or illegal aliens the rich get richer through things like carbon offsets. The next market bubble.

    How many illegals do you have in Hawaii?
     
  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    He will "handle" it by granting amnesty and simply making them all legal, so they can bring their entire families over as well. There will be no burden or consequences to the corrupt Mexican government that created the problems that make them want to come here -- just on the American people who must pay into the system to keep it afloat (this includes LEGAL immigrants) so other people who are not even citizens and don't pay into the system can leach fron it. They will use this to also push the national ID card.

    I don't blame the people who want to come here for this, as most of them are decent and hardworking people. I blame the government that encourages it at the expense of the average, working-class American, who has not a clue about the real agenda behind the manufactured immigration crisis.
     
  6. HawaiianEye

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    I think your right Pressed Rat.And if he gives them amnesty etc. Obama will be just as bad as Bush.--I do hope your wrong though.
     
  7. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I don't think he'll have to deal with it what jobs are there for them to fill?
     
  8. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    The Democrats and Republicans are equally bad when it comes to immigration. Then again, they're equally bad on almost everything else, considering they're virtually identical.
     
  9. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Are we now viewing illegal aliens like we do Islamic Extremist Terrorists? Are they the boogeyman?
     
  10. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    You are right about this. Since the economy has taken a downturn, many people are actually returning back to Mexico.
     
  11. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Who said that?

    It's the government that creates these problems, including false flag terrorism which is then blamed on Muslim boogeymen to scare people into submission.

    The illegal aliens are simply scapegoats, much like the Muslim boogeymen.
     
  12. HawaiianEye

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    As far as what jobs are there for them to fill,I guess many of the low end jobs.If they are given amnesty they won't even need a job,many illegals will just get public assistance etc.,which as I mentioned before should only be reserved for American citizens.And when the economy gets better,if illegals are granted amnesty well the situation for American citizens would be very bad,except of course if your very wealthy.Why is a country like Australia so much smarter than the US is now?Australia same size as the US 1 tenth the population,yet very strict on immigration.So are many other countries.
     
  13. HawaiianEye

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    I do agree that the democrats and republicans are equally bad in the area of immigration,for different so called reasons but yes equally terrible.
     
  14. BraveSirRubin

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    There isn't an illegal alien problem. There is simply a screening problem. Too many criminals are being let into the country.

    As others here have said, most of them are decent people, and a lot of them are leaving the country at these times of economic turmoil.

    All in all, they are pretty much the backbone of your economy. They do all the jobs that Americans would never do for the money.
     
  15. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    That media mantra is no longer valid.

    Now that all the "better" jobs are drying up, people are having to turn to menial work that they otherwise would not do -- work which is being filled by immigrant workers.

    20,000,000 "illegals" (I don't care for that term) is a problem, especially for those who live in places like California, which is bankrupt thanks in part to the drain in resources because of unchecked immigration.

    So to say it's not a problem is somewhat of an uninformed conclusion that clashes with the actual evidence showing otherwise.
     
  16. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    The "immigration problem" and economic imperialism are one and the same.

    If the U.S. is a sucker of the world's resources, of necessity- it will be a sucker of the world's people.

    Produce your own, and let others produce their own- and there will be no moar burritos for ya!
     
  17. BraveSirRubin

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    Please show me one American that is willing to bend down and pick cucumbers in the hot sun the entire day.

    Hell, slaves rebelled against their masters for that kind of work, yet illegals still do it. I do not think you realize the extent of the illegal industry.

    Plus, these jobs are not taken over by illegals, the jobs that they previously occupied are the jobs that are going out or being replaced by machinery.

    The problem is not the illegal immigration itself, it's the checks and balances involved with it.

    Hell, want my solution?

    Legalize every single person who's inside the U.S. right now and then completely close the border down, hell build a 50 foot high wall if you have to.
     
  18. xexon

    xexon Destroyer Of Worlds

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    The dirty secret of the "illegal alien problem" is the usurping of white authority in the United States.

    I welcome it.

    I like Mexican food. And the women are pretty too.

    They won't have much patience with Israel. But its going to take a hispanic president to drive the point home.

    Obama is a stepping stone to where this needs to go. But Obama is owned, and not to be trusted.

    We hold out for better.



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  19. xexon

    xexon Destroyer Of Worlds

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    For the record, I've done field work.

    I had Russians on one side, Vietnamese on the other, and Hispanics in between. It IS stoop labor, but is beneath you? Then you have the luxury of choice.

    The poor have the fewest choices.

    That needs to change, or democracy is a lie.




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  20. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Oh please. If a Hispanic person were to be elected president they would be owned just like any other president is. Skin color and ethnicity are illusions. This has nothing to do with the Mexican people but rather the corporate-controlled government that USES and exploits minority groups for their own agenda.
     
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