Homosexuality

I know it has been discussed before, but I was wondering what all the Christians and non-Christians think about homo/bisexuality. Personally I am Bisexual, does that change any of your oppinions about me? If so, why?

 

I think it's your own business and a matter for your own conscience. I could be wrong, but the biblical admonitions seem ambiguous, possibly referring to homosexual gang rape, temple prostitution, promiscuity, pedophilia, hedonistic experimentation, etc., rather than a loving, lasting, committed relationship between two people. By the way, the Bible seems to be concerned with sexual conduct rather than orientation.

 

Also, it only says things about homosexuality being wrong in the Old Testament, which Jesus and the New Testament mad pretty much obsolete.

 

I dont really care wether you dig chicks, dude's or actually both,
you are free to do what you want, aslong as i'm not bothered by it

It's not for me to condamn it, it's what you like yourself,
however, I dont like the people that advertise that "Gay is better" or dress up like woman to show they are gay, dressing up like a woman has nothing to do with falling in love with guys instead of girls as a guy.

So really,
everybody is free to do what they like with their love imho,
I really cant care less if you are hetero, bi or gay, it's whatever you please.

 

I actually find it semi-surprising there are more open minds here in the Christianity section than in the stoner section (which I posted a similar thread in) lol But I guess not really, because the people in the stoner section that are homophobic are usually 15 or 16 and probablly do not come to this part of the forums because they can not have mature conversations (not to say all 15 or 16 year olds can not).

 

BT I guess I misjudged you a few months ago, you have my apologies. You really have changed, something I doubted. Stay chill, man.

 

Lol thanks man, you too. And I'd like to apologize for shit I said back then (even though I think I am still right abotu the romans lol).

 

Gay people are great, and gay culture has produced alot of positive things.

The problem with homosexuality though is that people define themselves by it.

People do want to be unique, but it's truly sad to see a person express "being gay" as the major characteristic of their personality. This isn't any worse than defining yourself as a "hippie", or even as a "businessman"... but it's still extremely predominant within homosexual culture.

 

There is stuff in the New Testament in Romans and Corintians that's always quoted against homosexuality, but it's all by Paul. Jesus didn't say a thing about it, that we know of.

 

Christ never made anything in the old testament absolete.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets; I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily, I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled."

 

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christ didn't destroy any old laws, what about the ten commandments?

budtoker, im sure we can agree that only the ignorant can see love between two people and call it an evil thing. homosexuality may have been forbidden in the OT, but you also have to remember that many of the jewish laws of the day was to preserve the population. remember that it was proper to marry your dead brother's wife and continue to produce children. the morals and logic of the old testament doesn't even apply to us today.

the old testament is comedic anyways. i wouldn't take anything in that book literal.

personally, i don't think an enlightened being such as christ could hold sexual preference against you. if his opinion on the matter was even important, that is.

and if god hated you for it, 'he' wouldn't have created you with those feelings that you have.

but i still think god hates john waters.

 

everyone loves john waters

 

He was speaking of specific laws in the OT. In fact if he was talking about all of the OT he specifically contradicted himself because he also said that you can eat whatever you want even though the OT says to never eat pork. I will nto use a quote because it is against forum rules as far as I know, but: One disciple asked another if the rules in the OT were supposed to be followed. The other said, if they were supposed to be followed then Jesus came and died in vain. It also says that w/e Jesus said is what should be followed and Jesus said nothing about anti-homosexuality.

 

That's what he said, but he also gave the law a different interpretation than it had before: no stoning of adulteresses,loose observance of the sabbath, a different take on Jewish dietary rules, etc. After his death, his followers had major disagreements about what part, if any, of the OT was binding on Gentile converts to Christianity. Paul won out in saying that they didn't have to follow the dietary laws and circumcision, and some of his writings are interpreted by some Christians to mean we don't have to follow any of it at all. Others say it's still binind unless inconsistent with the NT, which trumps the OT. Some distinguish between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant, but say that parts of the OT are incorporated into the NT by specific mention. That's why fact that Paul seems to take a dim view of homosexuality gives them the idea that it's still wrong. Others believe that the part rooted in basic morals (no killing, stealing,etc.) or "natural law" is still valid, and that homosexuality is "unnatural". This stuff makes my head hurt. For my part, I go with Jesus' advice not to try to run other people's lives until I get my own in order--which will take until Christ comes again and we can ask him.

 

budtoker, jesus said that what goes into your mouth doesn't defile you, but what comes out.

so, in reference to your other thread (in the lounge), i'd venture to say that yes, oral sex is okay with god.

 

I would say all sex it fine with God.

 

sex with animals?

 

It's not the sex or with whom that matters, it is
the obsession and lust that overwhelms the mind
and deuldes by clouding judgement that is the
attachment which needs liberating from

 

Believe it or not, I could tell before you brought this up.
It doesnt matter, have I ever said anything to you before
even that I could feel this from you then?
I've always been your friend man

 

God loves the gays/bi's as much as the straights. Thats all you need to know.