HipPoliticCorrect Bias Judging Labelling Hypocrisy Selfrighteousness

I think during the origins of the movement, being a Hippy meant certain things, There was a political agenda & behavior agenda, even a hair & fashion agenda: a loosely binding commonality. They were bound together by an abhorrence for War & desire for Peace. They thought drugs were meant to be enjoyed. They believed in Free Love & nudity. The Feminist agenda was just getting started & well meant. San Francisco was the center of Hippidom, period. They were kids & youth was cool but parents were not. Now most of them are parents or gratefully dead like Jerry Garcia! Gloria Steinem is now married. If they died young they are immortalized like Jim Morrison, Jimmy Hendrix or Janis Joplin.

How many of those still exist? If drugs are the only thing we agree upon, that's sad. That's why I titled this HipPoliticCorrect, Selfrighteousness, Judging, Labelling, Bias, Hypocrisy. You can't call a spade a spade without showing your own cards yourself.

If one is truly color-blind how can you morally separate your laundry, into whites, blacks & colored? Maybe that's where tie-dying originated. What do you teach your kids, to do exactly the opposite of social norms? Do you not draw the line when they want to play with Johnny who is shooting up at 11 years old? Let's confuse the next generation even more. Is it cool to be gay, unhip to be hetero & non-hip to be homophobic. Is it my imagination or are so many people suddenly bi or is it just a way to get attention for a vast amount of people who have been ignored or have a hard time with rejection by the opposite sex. Don't we all?

If you exercise judgement, discernment, labelling or bias, you are branded as some kind of monstrous bigot. It's OK for women to mac on women even if their targets are not gay, but it's wrong for men to mac on women if they are not in the mood. Another example is that you have three lesbian avatars & not one gay man avatar. But all the hetero-looking male avatars look more than half buoyant. There is no Men's forums & we never discuss that. "After all, White Males are the oppressors & all men on TV are relegated to stupid, Homer & Bart Simpson roles, while superior & all-knowing women (Marge & Lisa) save the day! Not only with the latest miracle-saving kitchen cure ad a la 'Father Knows Retro Best', but with the female's reputable emotional stability!

Goodbye 'Everybody Pities Raymond...' Plus--I know a lot of male, single parents. I am one. I think it's whatever is politically correct & it's another system & another set of norms by the hormone-us-ly challenged anti-establishment. It's an oxymoron to have free speech when certain speech is patently hooted down as hawkish, chauvinism, bigotry, sexism & ignorance.

There's certain subjects you don't want to touch, because some people will call you a sick fuck & feel very self-satisfied that they got off on their own auto-erotic hatred for the day. Plastic titties were never an issue back when the word hippy was coined. But if we discuss that here, we'll be tarred, feathered & flamed by the feminists. Bashing Jesus is considered cool, and if you call yourself a Christian on the forums you get all the goddam bullshit that the Republican Evangelicals deserve, even if you smoke dope, drop acid & don't fucking go to church (then they just call you a hypocrite).

I've been around the world & you just have to live in people's countries for a short time to see what the fruits of their particular belief systems are: Abject poverty, malnutrition, hatred, looting, anarchy, filth, lethargy, dictatorship, abuse, fear... the list is endless but it is as plain as the nose on your face that you wouldn't want to live there. "Oh--but don't judge!" I mean Sam Kinnison said it so well that time he went on with... "You're starving--you know why? --this is the Desert! ...this is sand...there's no water here! Nothing grows here...Get a U-Haul & get out of the fucking Desert!"

I just guess it's easy to label, while considered small-minded, but necessary to humankind & the preservation of the species, since it's difficult to live without knowing your right hand from your left. Since you have to be totally non-judgmental nowadays to be hippier-than-thou —especially around this neck of the web, how can you even have forums of open discussion?

Aren't we being hypocritical in thinking anything different than what is dictated by the politically correct, left-leaning norm? You know, you could almost draw a line & list every topic that is not going to get flamed, down one side of it & every topic that will draw fire, get boiled in oil & baked down the other. I'm afraid this had to be said & I am afraid this is one of the latter.

I don't mean to be purposely gross but if a person is totally without judgement or unable to form an opinion, how do they even know when their ass is clean?

 

I wouldn'y say that i am without judgement but i dont judge peoples lives. I see people as people and don't give extra credit or take credit away for any choices they have made.

 

I can understand where you are comming from, skycanvas. It is a decent perspective and you should be free to voice it without being "bashed". I think it would be very insensitive as a whole to not have men's forums in addition to women's. We are very sensitive creatures, although society tends to forget that sometimes.


I am a Christian, it is a belief and a faith that I am strongly connected to, but I do not intend or try to force it upon anyone, but please don't criticize me for something that I personally strongly associate with, it doesn't hurt anyone. That is all I ask.

Accept your brother's and sister's differences, that is what makes us all so interesting and colorful. I would hate to live in a world where we were all the same.

 

Actually, it is discussed quite a bit. And there are people working on it, really working on it, as we speak.

 

Political correctness rears it's head all the time. That is the society we all function in and that is the standards that we are held to....be that right or wrong, it is.

Personally, I usually can read anyone's views and simply agree to disagree....the exception for me is children as I have very strong views on what I feel personally is harmful and exploitive. In most other situations I will state what my opinion is and walk on it as through life have found that no one usually changes their own opinions and that includes myself.

As a society we fool ourselves into thinking that because we have laws that protect political correctness that it should simply just go away and not exists after that as we have made it clear that we do not accept something or an action.....instead the reality is that people just become more cautious at best with saying it. You can not change what a person thinks or feels so the laws only are effective as retribution for doing.

We generally really like to think that we have evolved and become more tolerant and better educated when in reality we have simply become more adapt at hiding what we really think or feel. Some trade off.

I really think that labelling is not avoidable....it never has been. Be it the child in the playground that I do not care for because of behaviour that I might be tempted to label as the bully and steer my children clear of....to the person who might of done a service for me and in my opinion ripped me off and I label them as a crook.

I think though that we are still all bound together and that is maybe our saving grace as a race...we fail miserably but we still look for like to bond with in the hope that we grow and learn. Just helps when the like that is sought is one that is a level place to be.

Perhaps the folly is that we are human and often times are not able to surpass our own little bit of anger inside of us. Not sure and will ponder it some more, probably my lifetime.

BTW I will be making a personal forum that will be Men's Issues and hopefully all will feel welcome and come in and debate those things that are important to them.

 

We instinctively form opinions about other people and the decisions they choose to make. The thing is keeping those opinions to yourself...IF it's not constructive and all you're trying to do is belittle a person for making such decisions. Nothing wrong with giving advice as long as you can keep an open mind and not make them feel like shit. I don't know about you all, but I am my worse critic. Nobody on earth could give me as hard a time about things as I do myself. You should never try and make someone think you're better than them for any reason whatsoever. We all fuck up, some worse than others, but we all fuck up. Acceptance plays the biggest role as far as this subject goes, in my opinion. Do you treat people that are unlike YOU differently? If a gay couple came to you for starving and needing shelter, would you give them a place to stay and feed them, or would you look at them like you smell shit send them on their way? It's your job as a human being to help your fellow brothers and sisters. You just can't treat people differently because they live a different lifestyle than you. I guarantee you that the person you're judging could find just as many things wrong with your lifestyle as you do theirs. Does being gay, or dressing a certain way, or being a certain color..does any of this really define who you are? I certainly hope not. I hope that I'm remembered for the good things I did for my brothers and sisters, NOT what I wore or what religion I was, or my sexual preference. It's all petty bullshit anyway.
The Simpsons?? I just really don't feel like that's a good example to use here. It's just a cartoon man, just a cartoon. You just have to roll with the changes. Things are very different now than they used to be. I for one am glad that women can be taken seriously in this day and time. I'm not a feminist, but I think we were walked on long enough. Our place is not in the kitchen waiting on the mister to get home from work, damnit. No gender is more superior than the other. THAT, my friend, went on far toooo long. It's still going on actually, I'm just lucky enough to live in a country that allows women to have careers and be SUCCESSFUL..imagine that.
As far as what I teach my kids, they know better than to treat any one person differently than the next. This has been drilled in their heads since birth. It would break my heart to find out they were doing any less. That new kid in the classroom..you best make sure they know your name and have someone to sit with at lunch. So they're a different color than you? SO WHAT!! We don't know color, and I feel that teaching a child otherwise is teaching them ignorance. Would I draw the line if their 11 y/o friend Johnny was shooting up? I certainly wouldn't let em go to Johnny's house for a sleep over, no..but I just bet Johnny needs good people to look up to and a good friend to talk to. I'd say Johnny's had enough backs turned on him in his 11 years of life! What exactly would you teach your kids???
We can't help what we were born and raised in..I'm not sure I get your point on the way ppl live in other countries. I would think they don't have the means to live elsewhere..I could be wrong.
We can all learn from each other. We just need to do it constructively. I can't deal with people telling me how I should lead my life, fingers pointed, "I can't believe you did that". Does it hold any bearing on YOUR life..the way someone else lives? It shouldn't, and if it does then maybe you need to look inside yourself. Be strong in your beliefs, but never belittle someone for theirs.

 

this thread should be titled "skycanvas' rant" this is really a good thread because it targets everyone not just the government, i really like it when people point out the flaws about the people in this world...unless its rednecks that don't know what they are talking about and just say bad things about what they think is true or what other people think, and tell them, making them think that all gossip is true

 

No please--I don't know about that 'my rant' thing, but when I feel an idea very strongly I get fairly passionate about it when making my point. I'm usually grinning when I do it & am not ranting or mad in the least. (It's not who's right--it's what's right) But that's hard to tell with the written word. I try not to get out here & be self-serving; I try to offer some point & a solution, or open up some kind of a topic relevant to a portion of this huge forum & worthy of thought. Sometimes, no matter how well-meant a thread is begun, people will act infantile & absurd because they are not thinking deeply about anything at the time & I will wind up verbally putting them in their place because I truly want to get at the core of the matter. I don't think I'm a pacifist. Maybe that's my downfall because then I get popped instead of them. You're supposed to call the cops. But sometimes the cops don't get there in time. And in my neighborhood now & where I grew up you didn't call on authority. But anarchy sucks. When people finally get to have kids or begin owning something they change their minds about anarchy right away because they want to protect those.

When I was growing my hair long, I realized there were all kinds of people with long hair, covering the whole gamut of personalities. There were pigs with wigs at concerts. Some people you could trust & others you could not. It's the same difference between us & regular society where we perhaps display a more liberal attitude towards certain things which we take for granted that ordinary people condemn. That's because they are influenced & ruled by taboos that we question & often absurd legislation & enforcement, like experimenting with your existential self or doing something that harms no one else while making yourself happy.

That's where Authority exceeds their boundaries because human beings have a free will. There's a lot of cool stuff in the Bill of Rights & Constitution about this stuff. The Founding Fathers & Mothers were very into making it clear that humankind was endowed with unalienable rights that governments had no business depriving them of. But it filters down to the so-called model citizen & even all of the things we've been taught are still haunting us although we are trying to find a different way & are so often criticized for it. But you cannot 'not' judge. It's impossible. We just have to pull out the 2 X 4 from our own eye first in order to get that speck out of the other person's eye.

Another point was just self-realization that we cannot be truly without fault. Even if we are on the cutting edge of some new way of thinking. There are bound to be mistakes. I felt like no matter what I did or said that as a human being I was bound within this skin & had to make judgements about everything. I guess the problem is when we judge other people too harshly or before we've walked a mile in their shoes. They may be enduring things we'd never know about.

That's Milt Glaser's Art. Post it over on the Art Forums. He was the head of or the Last Hurrah for Illustrators in New York until there was hardly any more traditional to do. He also did a Bob Dylan Album Cover & is pretty much identifiable with the Hip Movement. You see his art everywhere.