Going Upriver: Why what happened 35 yrs. ago matters today

I just saw the documentary Going Upriver: The Long War of John Kerry. I am very impressed, I can now see how Kerry's service in Vietnam is relevant today, especially his actions after he returned to the U.S. His actions are very admirable, I wasn't even fully aware of the major role he had in the Veteran protest movement. He is just an incredible man, he was born to be a leader and I truly believe he has the interests of the American people at heart. I feel very good about voting for him.


I suggest you find a way to see it: John Kerry is a good man

 

This jerk is a billionare he doesn't give a shit about you, all he wants is the highest position in the US gov. He only cares about himself.

 

Hey, kerry may be a yale educated multimillionaire from massachuesetts (I don't care if i didn't even come close to spelling that right), but Bush is a yale educated multimillionaire from conneticut.

 

Some people are easily bought I guess.

 

Yes, but Kerry's forutune is much more, between his own fortune and his dad's, Bush is worth about $120million, Kerry with his wife is worth over $1 billion.

You know speaking of Bush being from Connecticut, I guess our state got pissed off that Bush never mentions that fact, so on I-95 as you come into New Haven there's a big sign that says "Welcome to New Haven, Birthplace of our 43rd president, George W. Bush."

 

Wait wait, Bush is from Connecticut??? i didn't even know that hahaha

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

Only Democrats from Texas and Republicans from Conneticut know that

 

Kinda makes you wonder where his accent comes from (probably the same place where Christina Aguilera got her ghetto accent, and Madonna got her eurpoean)

 

green_thumb,

I agree.
I was always impressed with John Kerry's heroic actions against the Vietnam War.

Very few Officers possessed the moral courage to expose the ugly truth about America's involvement in the Vietnam War.

For that courage alone, I give the man a lot of credit.

 

Yes, he was born here in New Haven, but I mean he moved to Texas when he was 2 i think.

 

Sorry I won't vote for anyone blood related to the Bush Family.

Nor will I vote for anyone who IS in the same secret society as G.W. Bush.

I also will never vote for any candidate that finds illegal war for profit something that is ok (Whether we fight the war for profit with our allies or without our allies).

 

About this war for profit--haha--we fucked up. It's been predicted that the war has already cost more than the profits the U.S. can gain from the oil.

 

Thank you.

I guarantee no one who commented in this thread has seen the documentary or knows the accomplishments of John Kerry. What in the hell are you guys doing that could even compare to what he has accomplished already, not to mention what he'll accomplish as president. How disrespectful.

 

Yeah, like you. As long as it comes from the mouth of a raving lunatic like Alex Jones, your hero. As long as it's obscure and unpopular....you'll embrace it.
Have you SEEN the documentary???! Please refrain from your self-righteous drivel unless you have something to say about the film. I'm easily bought? What are you talking about?!! Are you disputing what is in the film? You think the footage is fake? You think the events (well documented and undisputable) didn't happen?
Sorry dude, not everything is a conspiracy theory, sorry to disappoint.

 

That is just insane, what a poor excuse for not supporting a candidate. What difference does that make?! They are very distantly related. I disagree with my own siblings and parents. What an extremely lame reason.

????????WHAT???????He is not OK with the war!!!!!!!!! My God. Have you seen this documentary? Obviously not! How very disrespectful of you to belittle his heroic efforts to end the war in Vietnam. His sentiments back then hold true today, THINK about it.
What are you doing today to stop the war in Iraq? Not a fraction of what John Kerry did to stop the war in Vietnam. So silence your dishonorable self, have some respect!

 

No, it does not matter. People are scientificly proven to change, and they are unlikely to repeat the same actions they did today. Kerry, doubtfully... but given the benefit of the doubt, lets say that the film illsutrated true facts. Kerry acted with courage in Vietnam over 30 years ago; how the hell can you say that he will also act well as president, 30 years later and in the US?

Past acts are irrelevent in a political campaign. They do not fuel his issues, goals, or ideas. They are just charsitma tools that serve to buy the vote of the average voter.

 

When did I declare Alex Jones my hero? I might have mentioned his name a few times, but I never pledged any sort of allegiance to the guy.

Of course Jones can come off as being a bit too over-energized and radical (and Texan) for his own good at times. But he's a radio talkshow host and documentary filmmaker, not a college professor.

If you're looking for something more substantial, that's what books are for.

I'll be the first to admit that sometimes Jones' claims are over-exaggerated. But nearly everything I've heard him say can be backed up with either declassified government documents or articles taken from mainstream media sources like Reuters, CNN and AP, as well as expert testimonial (including testimonial from ex-military officials).

If the truth is "obscure" and "unpopular", even when backed up with significant evidence, well... perhaps you don't want the truth.

I never said it was fake or didn't happen. I simply don't really give a fuck.

You're right -- not everything is a conspiracy theory, but many things occur within the upper echelons of our government that we never hear about. Things that affect the country and the world. Things you're not hearing in the mainline media. It's not conspiracy theory when it can be backed up with proof. This is when it becomes not conspiracy theory, but conspiracy FACT!

There is a difference between the two.

Going back to the topic of this thread....

No, I haven't seen the Kerry movie. I'd rather spare myself the boredom that arises from watching partisan, propagandist bullshit that relies on the empty emotionalism, stupidity and complicity of gullible American sheeple -- yes, sheeple who are easily bought. I don't like being led, especially led to vote for a corporate, global-government shill like Kerry.

I know Kerry served his country. I respect him for that. I also know that Kerry has purposely used his service in Vietnam as the focal point of his campaign, probably because he's intelligent enough to know that the majority of Americans are idiots and place great importance on such irrelevant things.

I have the utmost respect for every soldier that has ever served their country in war, as bogus and pointless the war might have been.

Many, many people served their country in Vietnam. A lot of people died.

Few people have USED their service in Vietnam as a launch pad for their political career -- for political gain -- as much as Kerry has.

I could care less about that, though. Let the swiftboat idiots get their shorts in a wad over that crap. But what Kerry and Bush did thirty years ago when they were young and stoned has no impact on how I will vote, nor should it matter to anyone who is actually bright enough to see through the facade.

That's all.

 

It isn't just about his service in Vietnam, watch it and then comment here.

Says you. A person's past most definitely shapes who that person is, to say otherwise is foolish.
I don't find it charismatic that he fought in the the war. What I find admirable are his actions after he came home. Duh.

 

hey Ashawn..I wanna see it, i know he's done a lot..all you haveta do is research, he's done things that are great, if only some people will research it, but if you notice people are quick to judge..and quick to listen to others, thing is, i didnt know John Kerry, but I wanted to find out about him because I didn't like bush..and i was very impressed with what i found out about him..and a smart man told me recently, do not let people get you down for your beliefs, do not let them bring you down when they debate you and call you names and try to piss you off, because at least YOU know..that you went to the efforts to find the truth, and it doesn't matter what they think or say, because in your heart you know without a doubt that you took the time to not listen to other people but to educate and find out yourself..There are so many things John Kerry has done that people don't even know about, and i can honestly say without a doubt he is a good man..money or not, and i am honored to vote for him, and i will do so asap..and thanks for your post

 

I deduced that from your posts, much like you deduce that I'm "easily bought".

Then please spare us your uninformed opinion. You have no right to talk about a film you have not viewed, Republicans do the same thing with F9/11. I have no patience for that, it's a waste of time talking to people who have no idea what they are talking about. Please hold your tongue until you can contribute something of substance regarding the film.
I expected the documentary to be boring and I didn't really want to see it, but my friends rented it and I didn't want to object. I was pleasantly surprised, it is a good film.

Now what are you talking about? It is not the "focal point of his campaign". He had to defend his service because of the swift boat liars, that's it. His service in Vietnam was a minor part of the film, his activism once he got back from serving was the focus. He was a leader in getting the government to listen to the vets against the war. Protests of a grand nature need a leader, and he provided, very well I might add. He is a natural leader.
Are you against the war in Iraq? What are you doing about it? Anything even close to what Kerry did? I highly doubt it. So who are you to talk? A couple decades from now, what will you tell your children about how you helped stop the war? Don't worry about it though, it won't matter 30 yrs. from now.

I don't. Not for the ones who actually believe it was right to invade. They can go to hell. In fact, I think only those who support the war should be fighting in it.

He's a natural leader who was interested in politics since he was a child. Some people are just destined to be great and influential, like it or not.

I felt the same before I saw the movie. After seeing it though, I saw how passionately he fought for the end of the war and what a fine leader he is. Like it or not, this country will have a leader, he is the best choice, by far.