going to loose my 2C-E virginity

TNS, when I saw that I laughed. I (briefly) went out with a girl who's brother is in that band. I know that song but never really "heard" it like that.
I really like the colorado song too, that one's new to me. Thanks for those. :sunny:

 

Your posts did not go unnoticed either GM... thank you too. =) I did SL for awhile some years ago. I truly enjoyed your post about working through some family stuff on twocy. Experiences like that can be really powerful.

After I absorb some of this a little, I'll see where I'd like to go next. Since I have 2ce, i'll explore it a bit more, I think a higher dose is in order, as well as a smaller one. This morning it "feels" like it wouldn't be the powerful self reflective tool that I was hoping for. The upside is I felt almost no negative side to it, and honestly, it is fun. :sunny:
The two things that I was reminded of... I procrastinate too much, and love is really important. Maybe the most important thing there is to humanity.

Peace to you all.

 

How high do you plan on dosing next time? You should try 30+mg, and higher after that

 

Well truthfully, you're a TopNotchStoner, I'm not. I feel I should take care and one thing I learned back in the day is to respect stuff like this.
I think the next time, 20-25. I also would like to try something like 10.
From what I've read, the effects are not on a linear scale with quantity, so I take that into consideration.

 

i think ~20 mg is a good step up from 16. the dose response curve isn't linear, but i don't think it's quite as steep as i have seen claimed - like twice as powerful for every 2 mg more?

 

@ Voyage: Tool can definitely be an aquired taste and some people just flat out don't like them. If I would've known you dig the talkbox I would have chose a different Tool song. As GM alluded to Tool's music constantly reveals different levels upon repeated listen, they are truly one of the most cohesive sounding bands there is. They utilize timbre perhaps better than any rock/metal band I've ever heard and can flip' the mood from angry and dark to light and beautiful at the drop of a hi hat Just wanted to leave a song for your reintroduction to psychs.

I like Joe Walsh, like James Gang, and I like the Eagles too. Haven't gone to deep into any of their catalogs except The Eagles though. I've heard Funk #49 before though, good song!

 

I cant hardly find anything to get a trip on, shrooms as of in the past 2 years is all...

 

Seems like more 'natural' psychedelics are pretty hard to come by on the streets. Main reason why I started on RC's. And you can always grow shrooms. It's easy as hell.

 

yeah its easy and cheap, and easy to manage. 2c-E is something ive been wanting to try since ive first learned about it.

 

Oh, I misread your post. My bad. I thought you said you COULDN'T get shrooms.

Sorry for the thread-jack. *shuffles away*

 

Well so the weather was lovely, there wasn't one important thing in front of me, so saturday night I dipped back into the twocy.
After last weeks experience I felt confident bumping up the amount a bit so, measured out 24 mg with some Reeds extra ginger ale thinking that might soothe the tummy a bit. It didnt really but I havent had bad nausea yet. I havent felt venturing someplace to trip is the right thing to do, yet. Soon though.
So I goofed off around home and close by. Took a nice long walk in the neighborhood while coming up and watching the sun go down. Had a trippy exchange with one of the neighbors for a bit. Listened to a bunch of music and watched Cool World and talked with a good friend on the phone while coming down.
So just throwing out some observations. My scale might not be the best, (new one on the way) but I didn't see any noticable difference between my 18(+-1) and 24(+-1) mg experiences. Both were just a little gittery, nervous energy, slight nausea kinda thing coming up. Wonderful, easy to steer, mellow psychedelic euphoria peak for 2 or 3 hrs and a nice gentle come down.
Actually, I dosed at 4pm and due to having been up since early, i was comfortably laying out in bed at 1230, sipping a nice beer, and asleep at 1.
I don't think I have much interest in dosing higher. Personally I don't think I have much to discover in 2C-E as far as the more introspective mystical self exploration that I'm interested in. Fun, easy, overall positive energy with practically no negative side.
Perhaps if its supposed to be, I'll find something more meaningful in the 4 aco dmt
that's working its way here.

Peace all

 

Man, if that's all you have to say about 2ce, then you DO need to dose higher. Based on what you've said about your experience with it so far, I'd say you need to dose at least 40mg next time. It really gets crazy around the 50-60mg range though.

 

Well honestly, I'm not looking for crazy, if I'm understanding the word the same way you mean it. Keep in mind, I'm not in my teens or 20's anymore. :wheelchair:

I didn't mean to come across like I'm not impressed. I have actually found myself thinking both times, "i can't believe this is still unscheduled". Fortunately it isn't. I did mean to point out that I didn't see really any difference with a 6mg higher amount. Also, I don't know that I'm one to write much of a TR, difficult to put the psychedelic experience into words. So in the sense it might come across like I'm downplaying it. Not really my intention.
It's great stuff and I can see how Shulgan found great therapeutic value in it. I read something where he felt 2C-B had the most, and it was his favorite of the 2C's.

 

Nice trip report, interesting you didnt experience a difference between even a 6 mg dose difference. 2ce is quite well known for its sharp dose/response curve especially in the 10-30 mgs range.

2cb is a pretty sensual chemical, its enjoyable to take with like 1 other person. Maybe a small party would be pretty cool with everyone on it, I havent tried it in that setting, but I don't find it quite breaks down the social barriers like MDMA. Most the 2c's are fairly emotional experiences, its ironic because 2ci is probably the most analytical of the series and coincidentally its one of the lesser talked up among the younger crowd, I think because its not all that visual and can be kind of 'emotionally stiff,' it also has some undesirable side effects for me. I think that chemical you have on the way is a really good tool for therapeutic use and self exploration.

 

4-aco-dmt may be exactly what you are looking for then. Enjoy. :2thumbsup:

 

I can definitely understand that. lol I'm TERRIBLE at writing TR's, so I know how difficult it can be to convey the depth of your appreciation for any psychedelic experience.

As far a Shulgin preferring 2cb over 2ce......that seems to be the case with most people. I prefer 2ce though, personally. The chaos that accompanies 2ce is something that really touches my soul, for some reason.

 

I'd like 2c-e a lot better if the come up was a little easier physically, but it's still a very special chem to me. I'd to revisit it since it's been so long and I have a better understanding of the differences between psychs now, but I have quite a few chems I'd like to take for the 1st or 2nd time, and I've done -e plenty. I only have so much time available to trip, not to mention my brain needs breaks as well haha.

One of my favorite 2c-e experiences was on a low to medium dose of mushrooms (made into peanut butter cups so idk how much) and 20-25mg of 2c-e I think, but they work wonderfully together, I recommend it highly.

 

^^^I've always wanted to try 2ce+shrooms. It seems like the chaos of 2ce with the depth of shrooms would be amazing. I should be trying a 2ce+aces combo in a few week though, which should be pretty similar, if not better.

 

I really want to sparkle flip (MDMA + 2ce) I think MDMA may add a certain element to take 2ce to the next level for me. I really should try a higher dose probably but there are other psychedelics I want to explore further as well. I feel stimulated mentally on 2ce but feel physically lethargic and subdued. I tried mixing methylone with it and that was not all that great, but I've heard methylone doesn't mix all that well with many psychedelics for some reason.

*Sparkle flip is a terrible nickname btw

 

Haha sounds pretty insane. 2cb was a fantastic match to 4aces, it turned out exactly as I was hoping when I first thought of combining the two. 2ce would be quite different, but I think it be pretty amazing in it's own way, I'm really interested to hear how it goes. Any ideas what dosage levels you'll try?

Ya, sounds fun as well.The 2c's with molly interest me. MDMA with 2c-b was very, very nice. I don't care for the name sparkle flip either.