God

God.. when we think of the word, many things come to people's mind. Divine, powerful, religion. To me God is just the imaginary friend of the people who believe in it.

What I mean by this, is that God is created by the humans, not the opposite he did not created us. We.. well the people who believe in him, created him because they felt the need to. The felt the need to "tell" someone what they couldn't say to anyone else, the felt the need to have "hope" on something outside of themselves, the felt the need to determine whats "right and wrong", they felt the need to ask for "forgiveness". But all this.. they are doing it with their own selves. It just feels more hopeful to people that when they are praying someone is listening, and that they are not talking to their selves.

So God is in peoples mind and where their mind wants to put it. I'm not saying he doesn't exist. What I'm saying is that he exist if you want to, and he cannot do anything for you, all you have to do it yourself. Your actions have led you to where you are today. You and you only, and sometimes that can be a lot to accept. Because life isn't always great, and we are our worst judge, and is hard to believe we are all alone in this world, and the good and the bad things that happen are just a consequence of our action.

God exists in believer imagination as a way to get thru life. To feel safe, forgiven, to not feel alone.

 

I sort of feel the same way. I've always felt that God was an invention of the human mind for security. People feel safe when they think that there is an almighty being out there watching over their every move. When people do not have enough faith in themselves and their own actions, they seek that comfort elsewhere in something or someone that I personally do not believe exists. But hey, it's whatever works for each individual.

 

Autentique

God..Is the desire to understand what reality is.
Be it a concept, a theory or a religion.

We dont know yet..
We are ignorant

So be it. Who said we must know everything.?
Not even god can know everything.
it is not physically or logically possible.

Occam

 

"Is man one of God's blunders? Or is God one of man's blunders?"
-- Friedrich Nietzsche

I'm sorry to just post a big quote as a response, but when someone has already stated something more eloquently than you ever could, what else can you do?

“Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.” -- Marx


I, personally, no longer find it necessary to address the question of whether something called a god exists--there does not--just as I no longer ponder about the meaning or existence of a square-circle. Both ideas are inherently nonsense. And the only reason anyone takes one idea more seriously than the other is because they believe they've found, as always, the fountain of youth!

 

The greatest nonsense is dismissing an idea you can not fully understand.
I agree that most of what religion teaches us are ways to bring the self to a better state of mind. I find no clues to the existance of God in religion. Religion is a set of practices and, in my opinion, has little to nothing to do with God.

So because of religions faults God must not exist? Interesting logic... I think that careful study of the universe, of life, of energy suggest some Other force may exist. Do I pray to it? No. Does it help me deal with life? No. Do I dismiss it becasue I can't define it? No. When you can explain the whole of the mytery going on here I will concede that all that exists is what we see and know. Until then I would reserve the right to consider that just maybe we don't know it all just yet.

 

The better question is, how is it possible to not dismiss something that has no definition? I wholeheartedly agree that humans don't know everything about the universe, and probably never could. Does that simple fact give me enough evidence to create a God of the Gaps? Of course not...

 

True enough. However, take for example dark matter. It is a theoretical entity based on gaps in our understanding. We can't define it because we don't know what it is (yet), but few (if any) who study astronomy doubts it's existence.

I am not saying that God should be a blanket term for things we do not understand. I am saying that we know a lot about how the universe arranges itself and there is little (or no) evidence that life could have arranged itself into the complex creatures we have become alone. There is (in my opinion) evidence that there must be some additional force out there to account for our very directed, very precise, very self-supporting system of evolution. Do the math, figure the probability and it ends up looking like the gigantic organism of life on this planet may be the result of a system that doesn't play by the simple general chaos/gravity/sun cycle rules.

Science has tried again and again to start life from primordial pools, to explain how natural selection and genetic mutation have aided our development. Our experiments at creating a life base have failed miserably and knowing how the mechanisms of life work hasn't given us an ounce of understanding into how it started, why it prospered and how, in a universe of chaos and deconstruction it has built, complexified and pursued a direction without ever knowing where it was going.

I don't think life is a one time bang. I don't think a 'God' created it. I think it is a system which probably permeates our universe and the framework of that system is worth thinking about (for me.)

 

Joker.....

 

Quite possibly they have... and the bitchy pessimentalists like Kneecheez and shoppinhorror just are bitchin because they either found it and like being a bitch, or they won't acknowledge it and have a reason to be bitchy. Shit, someone gives you life and you bitch at them and run away because of your own foolsih ideas about how life is? Probably feel pretty bad about yourself....

 

Kharkov

Thank you. The joker is the best card in the pack.

Occam

 

But of course, it can be any card at times, and play the fool as well.

Kharkov

 

Kharkov

Correct.
And the fool sometimes sees what others do not.

Einstein was called a fool.
To be the fool card is a position of strength..

When all else cannot understand.
The fool may be the wisest of us.

Occam

PS

A saying goes
"from you, that is a compliment"

Thank you

 

There is such thing as playing the fool (pretending to be a fool) when one isn't... comedy.

You are welcome . As the saying goes "I pity the fool"

B.A. Kharakovus

 

Kharkov

"I pity the fool"

Why?

Occam

 

Mr. T played someone named "B.A. Barracus" on the 80's tv show "The A-Team" who always said "I pity the fool". It became Mr. T's trademark saying, sometimes he is in commercials sayin "I pity the fool". I just think its a hilarious saying- cuz truthfully, if someone is a fool they will eventually grow out of it. No need to pity someone going through a necessary stage of spiritual development.

 

Kharakov,

you are blind to the world around you and naive beyond belief.

a preacher with zero knowledge of your own god.

if occam is a joker, perhaps he created your god, for she is surely a joke.

 

"yeah, yeah, fire!!! fire!! fire!! huhuh, huhhuh, huhhuhhuh, fire's cool!"
You are great and wise and should be my leader.

Yeah. Hero to Zero... thats me... yeah.. cool.

My God is an IT thank you. A very dirty minded IT at that. Talk dirty to me baby!

 

Is it your intent to disrupt every thread in the A&A forum with your hellfire lies devil?

 

Not at all, I intend to spread light and disease (heart disease). Or one of the two. Actually I am very serious about some things, however I cannot take fools seriously unless it is with a seriously hardcore sense of humor. Have a relaxing heart attack.