Get the state out of male-female relationships!

This is the reason why I fear for gays in their (their? really? Maybe it's straight people who want their liberal cred, and jobs in NGOs or government, who've never touched a dick in their lives who want gays to get married) push to get legally married. The one thing gays had going for them is that the state wasn't involved in their relationships.

Male-female relationships are no better now then they were in the 50s, despite feminist propaganda. This propaganda is corroborated by the fact that a lot of young, naive girls get lots of material shit in their youth for simply having a pussy or churning out babies, and they hear horror stories about the 1950s, so it seems a no-brainer. And who wants to look like grandma (who gets those material perks no more)?

Do I want to bring the 50s back? No. It is feminists who are not willing to give up on the part of the 50s they don't like to talk about: chivalry. Which, nowadays means state mandated and delivered chivalry.

It means men (who still work more than women), paying tax dollars and court fees of their hard-earned money so that women can make a living. Do you really want to see the 50s forever far and gone? Here's what you need:

1) Do away with all marriage bureaucracy. Marriage is, and will always be, a religious ritual. That the state is involved in it at all is a breach of the separation between church and state. Marriage belongs in churches where people who care for such symbolism can knock themselves out. My tax money should not be going to state courts, or any paper-pushing around marriage licensing. Want a pre-nup? Draw it up yourself and pay your lawyer out of pocket. Get married all you want...at church or at home, on your own dime. The state should not be giving an incentive for people to choose a Cinderella lifestyle, or any one lifestyle over another;

2) Legalize prostitution --- If a girl is hard up, or simply likes nice things, and likes slutting it out, let her bargain directly for it. Men and women should not have to play some childish gold-digging, dating game because of some ancient Christian prejudice. That will clear the way for people who truly want to get to know or have sex with each other, no money involved.

3) Institute Legal Paternity Surrender --- women have myriad ways to avoid and terminate a pregnancy. Many of the contraceptives cannot even be seen or made sure of by men that women are taking it. Condoms, apart from the fact that they suck, explode, leak out, and slip out on a routine basis. Men should not be financially punished for busting a nut. Do you want to have a baby? Find a man who actually wants to be a father. Men should not be forced into fatherhood by a court of law. Women should have the right to an abortion, men should have the right to Legal Paternity Surrender within the 3 months that women can get an abortion in. End deadbeat dad stigma once and for all.

4) End welfare discrimination against men --- When was the last time you've seen a homeless woman? To the extent that welfare should exist at all, it should not favor women and especially not women with children. No more welfare queens. The same goes for state-run shelters. If women have a special need for shelter (a reasonable anatomical argument) then let THEM, and sympathetic parties, create their own charitable organizations. Men should not have to pay to put up women they haven't even met with babies that aren't even theirs;

5) Scrap alimony --- Do I even have to argue this one out?

6) End court-mandated child support --- Do you want to have a supportive father for your child? Then have a child with a supportive father. Men should not be tricked or forced into fatherhood. See point 3 above.

I know a bunch of feminist queens will be horrified by this. But, what they don't understand is that all of the above would actually favor women more than they realize. Unfortunately, a lot of women don't realize this until they are in their 40s, out of shape, and have to put their children through college. And it's to late to get any more perks. Remember, a great deal of feminists are men who are making a pretty penny jumping on that bandwagon.

 

WOW....!!



Cheers Glen.

 

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Its actually best to ignore feminists and pretend they dont exist. Because theyre honestly so damn dumb that its pathetic. They blame everything on men just because they didnt get asked to prom in highschool. Thats really the bottom line, because how could you hate a man if you were raised by one, not to mention its not the 1950's anymore and plenty of women make more than men, and usually have more job offers.


I do really like your post, the only thing i worry about is the legalization of prostitution. I want it to happen but I fear it will get taken over by mafias/pimps as it has happened in Amsterdam's red light. Plenty of girls there against their will. Whole articles written about it.

 

I'd be seriously skeptical of what you hear about Amsterdam's red light district. What they are doing there is analogous to what Bush did when he dug up "evidence" of WMDs in Iraq in order to push his war-mongering envelope.

There are a lot of bureaucrats in Europe now, worried about immigration, and prostitutes are a great story line for xenophobia.

 

I haven't really taken close look at everything that you said here, but much of it seems reasonable


I would disagree though about the issue of women getting preferential treatment in getting shelter

frankly, no one should have to live on the street, and it's shameful to have a society that treats people this way

homeless women though would be at greater risk for sexual assault. I can live with that inequality if produces a better outcome.

 

#3 and 6 are bullshit. i don't consider myself a feminist, and i certainly don't make a pretty penny from having the belief that a man should take care of his child.

i don't think a man can really be tricked or forced into fatherhood. a Man should be mature enough to realize that pregnancy is a potential result of intercourse, and be ready to face the consequences.
don't wanna have a baby with a gold digging bitch who will sue you for child support? don't have sex with her.

 

White knight, all over again. Why are we constantly defending women against rape, and not men against murder?

Does that mean that a woman shouldn't have the right to an abortion since she failed to keep her legs crossed?

 

This is an excellent point. However, the father should have to "opt out" of fatherhood within the same time limits of abortion in order to qualify for child support exemption.

I enjoy chivalry, and if I were homeless I'd happily sleep on the street so that a woman and her child could have a warm bed. I think any man who wouldn't is, quite frankly, a piece of shit.



I think I agree with all the other points.

 

i don't think abortion should be used as a form of birth control, no.

 

Should it be illegal?

A piece of shit which is able to put itself first ends up sounding quite smart.

 

seems to be a tangent. i don't think abortion should be illegal because of situations like rape, and health complications. i think it's morally wrong to get one simply for birth control though.

putting yourself first means putting your children first. a species would die out if it didn't look after its young. there are enough father-less children in this country.

 

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I understand your grief though, equality and all. But a woman and child not only has greater needs than a single male, but also a harder time meeting those needs. If you don't put others first who need it more than you, for the greater good, your soul will have a tendacy to grow black.

 

It's not grief at all. It's just that I don't share your bleeding heart, self-sacrificing, codependent Christian morality.

Women nor children have greater needs than men. This is entirely the inferiority you project onto them. To make one thing clear, I would be totally cool with putting women and children first if we went back full-throttle to the idea that men were to be respected as superior, stronger, more independent, etc.

That was the old division of labor that women themselves seem to have reneged. Women were protected, put up, taken out of burning buildings and sinking ships first, and exempt from hard labor.

In return, men got to fuck whores while their wives kept their legs crossed and kept the children and the kitchen squeaky clean. Men were respected as the head of the household, and women opened their legs to them whenever their husbands wanted. Nowadays, feminists paint patriarchy with an oppressive brush. It wasn't. It was simply a division of labor that worked quite well for ages for both men and women.

The way I see it, women have a choice:

a) we can go back to patriarchy, but they're going to hold their end of the bargain;

OR,

b) if they want the equality they say they want, I will treat them as equals indeed;

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It's entirely up to them. I don't want to tell women what's best for them.

The problem with feminism today, is that it's hypocritical and manipulative. It claims its goal is equality, when in fact it's having their cake and eating it too. Give them all the chivalry of patriarchy, and they'll still treat men as generalizable, worthless pigs and suckers for it.

Feminists are not simply those ugly women with short hair yelling invective at the top of their lungs in rallies. Feminism is the ideology of the day. It is shared and internalized by most men and women. It's in every woman's magazine: women are entitled to everything from men while giving nothing in return.

It takes men for suckers, and you, my friend, seem to have learned quite well how to be the sucker. Contrary to what you think, women will not give you any measure of respect or anything in return for your chivalry and self-sacrifice.

 

At least you are consistent. You're not one of these suckers who believe women should have all the rights in the world, and men none. I'm in favor of abortion, see. And, consistent with that, is being in favor of opting out of paternity for the same period as a woman can get an abortion in.

But, go tell these white knights and self-involved bitches a man should have the same reproductive rights as a woman!

Contrary to what your Christian book tells you, the species has always evolved through the most selfish acts. Especially, competition with other genes. Taking care of your own genes, and the wife of your children is a selfish act.

I simply do not understand why I should take care of someone else's wife and children. That's certain to make the weakest genes win over the strong ones, and the whole species unfit for survival.

 

our reproductive systems are different, so i don't really think men can or should have the same reproductive rights as women. a man isn't gonna carry the child for 9 months. and a man has a hell of a lot less chance of getting stuck with the child all alone when the woman runs off.

this conversation has little to nothing to do with being a Christian. which i am not, but thanks for assuming. i was talking about men taking care of their own children. opting out of paternity is not doing so.

 

She isn't, if she gets and abortion. And, the different reproductive systems go both ways, yes women will go through more hell by getting an abortion than men will by opting out.

But, the same goes for having a child. By the same token, women go through more hell giving birth then men by assuming fatherhood. So, maybe we should hit men with a baseball bat every time they make a woman pregnant, so they can suffer as much as women do.

You don't have to go to church or pray to hold Christian ideas. Much like you don't need to go to rallies to be a feminist.

You jumped into a conversation in progress. The discussion was about shelters, and these guys believe women should be favored for shelters over men because we ought to protect their golden pussies more than men's lives.

 

no i don't think we should hit men with a baseball bat when they make a woman pregnant. maybe they SHOULD get hit with one when they abandon woman and child though.

i guess i don't agree that all things should be equal with men and women.

 

A man does not have to deal with the emotional trauma of abortion. Women may have the option to terminate pregnancy but that does not mean a woman will choose that path.

As far as avoiding pregnancy, modern humans have the luxury of seperating sex from reproduction because of modern birth control. That doesn't change the fact that the biological urge to have sex is due to the biological need to reproduce. The fact that sex feels good is simply incentive to do it and reproduce. Sex is consequential and no birth control method is fool-proof. Should women be punished financially and deal solely with the consequences of sex because men just want to bust a nut?

Most shelters specifically for women are for women coming from abusive situations. While I personally don't have a lot of sympathy for women who put themselves and their children in abusive situations, I think state-supported shelters are neccessary to protect innocent children who get caught up in their parents bullshit..

also as someone else pointed out, homeless women are much more likely to become victims of sexual assault. I could go into the reasons for this but I prefer to avoid insulting and generalizing the opposite sex.

Men have resources too. Most cities have homeless shelters for both men and women. So I suppose you are proposing to cut all support for the homeless, regardless of gender?

Because when a woman has an unplanned pregnancy it is due to her trickery and feminine wiles 100% of the time?

Unplanned pregnancies happen. I personally wouldn't sue for child support because I feel if a man doesn't want to be a part of his own child's life it is his loss. It still doesn't change the fact that he's a worthless piece of shit unable to take responsibility for HIS OWN actions. Sex is consequential and it takes both a man and a woman to procreate.

 

You're going circular here.

Have fun being a gentleman. Just don't impose that shit on me through the state. Fund a women's shelter on your own dime, and keep your hands out of my pocket.