Gay babies? Live or die?

Please be honest. No jokes. If your doctor had the ability to tell you that your unborn child would be gay - would you allow it to live or die? And can you please explain your reasons for the decision? Here's your chance to be honest. I am thanking you in advance for your bravery.

--QP

 

Isn't the question a joke?

 

Nope. Unless I did not phrase the question properly. So let me try again: Would you value the life of your unborn child less - if your doctor was able to tell you that your child would be born gay/lesbian/transexual? In other words: the opposite of "normal". What might your reaction be to such a revelation? And can you please explain why?

--QP

 

Why not just ask: "Are you homophobic, if so is it because you deem it unnatural?"

A supplementary question should be: "Why do you think being gay/lesbian/transexual is unnatural?"

Perhaps your question gives people a modicum of redemption if they relinquish their prejudices.

Who knows.

Personally: Ofcourse I'd value my baby.
Why? Because I'm not prejudiced.
Boring answer, but true.

 

It depends on whether this would be my only child or not. If I only had the one, although I would value this child's like more than any others, I wont lie and will admit I would be saddened. Simply because like being a father, you would always want to be a grandfather, or grandmother perhaps.

I know there's adoption and surrogacy now but it doesn't quite cut it, I live in a pretty traditional family- and although I would accept the differences, it may not be something ideal to me.

But then it shouldn't be ideal to me, it should be ideal to my child. As a parent I am sure I would want this person to just be happy, nothing else you could ask for.

I don't agree with extermination. The idea women can get an abortion to order much like a Big Mac disturbs me.

So to conclude: would never abort, would value the child the same, however would miss the 'normality' a strait child might give, and would also fear for the treatment of this child in later life.

Hope I haven't offended anyone. Didn't mean to imply being gay is different in a bad way, I do believe it will always have it's struggles (but that's more to do with homophobia)

 

Live, of course!
Why would I end a life just because my child maiy have differenet beliefs than some? It is purely THEIR choice who they wanna get in bed with and who am I to stop them.

The idea of an abortion also disturbs me- In my school one girl has had THREE. And she's only my age, 13. I think you shouldn't be aloud to have them so much. It's like an excuse not to pay for birth control!

But yes, I couldn't kill them. I'd love my child, no matter what.

 

3 at 13?? That's sickening.

Here in the UK teens are getting pregnant left, right and center. Not only because of the ease of abortion but because of a normal social etiquette and tax benefits that even see parents egging their children on. It's maddening.

Sorry to stray from the point QP, just find the whole teenager and baby conversation a fascinating and appalling one (in most, but not all cases mind).

I would like to ask what your views are on it QP? I mean you never mentioned, and someone said something about whether it was just another 'are you a homophobe?' question- and although it's not, it would be interesting what a gay man would have to say about it all (assuming you are from your name )

I say this because I have one friend, a very good friend, who is gay and does not like it- and would probably not wish it on his children whatsoever.

 

Jesus, give me a break. I am merely trying to find out if folks are open to having a LGBT child - nothing to do with religion. However, your initial response speaks volumes - why is the topic such a joke?

--QP

 

Why ask the choir?? Ask a Republican...

Zen

 

Aside from the fact you can't know if a child is a LGBT baby...
It wouldn't make any difference till the baby is into double digits.
Unless that is you would be agonising over the nurture of the baby, till the baby is an older child.
Generally speaking, even tolerant parents have quite some time for themselves to become comfortable to engage with their "different" child.

It is something to do with religion when you mention "natural"...
It is something to do with religion because that is how some people find an answer to your question.

You have to admit, the premise is fairly funny.
I'm not trying to give you too a hard time...honestly.

How so?

 

I can never have children, so I'm not sure I can answer that...

I think the sad truth of the matter is, is that even in most cases where a parent would choose to keep the LGBT child, they would still rather it was ''normal''. (The Imaginary Being's post being a classic example of that attitude) And I think this is true for most parents who have already accepted their LGBT kids. They may accept it, but deep down, they'd rather their child wasnt gay, or trans. Most parents are selfish, and their own desires for grandkids, and to show their kids off like trophies means that an LGBT child will be seen as a disappointment, even if they still love their child and wont disown them for the fact. So most parents would have a problem with it, even those who decided not to abort.

Speaking for myself, and being completely politically incorrect here, I would rather have been aborted, than being brought into the world with the condition that I have. Being hypothetical then, would I abort a child KNOWING it was trans? Seeing as I wouldnt wish my life on my worst enemy, it would be hard for me to wish it on my own child. I am intersex, but to all intents and purposes, I have lived the life of a transsexual, due to the fact I was brought up as the wrong gender. At times it literally is hell on earth. I would love my child certainly, gay, straight, trans, whatever. But would an abortion of a child you know is going to have an awful life actually be showing it mercy? I dunno, it would be a hard decision for me. The world can be a very cruel place, especially towards those who deviate from the norm, especially where gender is concerned. I dont know what Id do to be honest.

 

As of right now, you're right, that isn't possible. However, it has already been established that some transpeople have brain matter of the opposite sex to that of their physical outer body. So sooner or later, science will be able to determine whether or not a baby will turn out trans, seeing as that condition is biological, not psychological. And if a ''gay gene'' or something similar is ever discovered, then surely one day a babies' sexuality will be known while still in the womb. Technology is ever advancing you know!

 

This is a ridiculous thread! Odon is right - you might as well be asking whether or not people are homophobic? Or, why not take it further and ask whether attacks on gay people are acceptable?

The majority of gay people I know or have met have been happy with who they are, so how can you justify killing a baby to 'protect them'? I think this is more about whether or you would want to have a gay child.

If I ever have children, they can do whatever or whoever they want (well murder might be difficult to accept!) but being gay is not a problem and this thread is actually offensive.

 

That would be a frightening day.

 

Adult brains (fully developed) or baby brains (developing)?

That would make it "natural", right?

If both of your theories pan out, and people are allowed to find out such things...wouldn't it be that parents who innately have an issue with LGBT in the first place, would opt to find out?

True..and at an alarming rate.

 

I can understand that this must be difficult, but people get difficult things thrown at them in life - I don't think there is any justification for aborting a baby based on this. Besides, what one person struggles with, another revels in.

And, I know many parents of gay children - and I am pretty sure they would not prefer their children to be 'normal'.

And where would this end - let's just kill anyone unborn baby who may have any form of disability, illness, personality trait or hair colour.

 

Perhaps. But at least if that day should ever dawn, nobody could ever argue against gay or transpeople being ''unnatural'' anymore. I know some people would say still say that, even if 100% proof emerged that it wasn't a choice. As I am intersex, and that is a totally natural condition, and a fact that cannot be disputed. Yet lots of intersex people suffer just as much prejudice as some transpeople, if they've been like me, and unfortunate enough to have been brought up as the wrong gender.

 

+1 on that one.

 

Seeing as sex in brain structure (just as it is elsewhere in the body) is established before birth, and cannot be changed, the fact that only adults' brains have been tested is a moot point. The brain does of course develop in other ways, but the sex does not. That is set in stone before birth, just the same as the outer sex is. The only difference is, is that outer sex can be altered to a degree. Sex in brain structure cannot be changed.

Like I said, even a lot of parents who wouldn't disown their child for the fact, would still be disappointed if their child was gay or trans. I think The Imaginary Being would be in the majority of accepting parents, not the minority.

You got that right!

If you think anyone ''revels'' in feeling born in the wrong body, you are very much mistaken. Not all people labelled transsexual have a brain/body mismatch. In fact, some are quite happy to keep their birth genitalia and use them in sexual activity. Which is something that anyone who feels trapped in the wrong body can't relate to at all. Ive yet to speak to a single trans person who feels trapped in the wrong body who revels in that fact. All of the ones I have spoken to without exception, have hated it. To differing degrees, yes. But nevertheless, they don't like it. I regard ''trannies'' as different to people who feel trapped in the wrong body. They are just another example of intersex really.

I know it was a controversial thing to say. But I definitely would rather have been aborted, than being brought into the world with this condition. And I would be lying if I said anything different. That doesnt mean I think all people with a genuine brain/body mismatch should be aborted. Im just talking about my own personal feelings on it.

You can't be certain though. Most loving parents if they were disappointed deep down by their child's sexuality/gender identification, would likely keep that to themselves. I think The Imaginary Being's attitude would be typical of most parents who accepted an LGBT child.

Yes, but gays, and particularly trans people, are more stigmatized in this world that probably any other minority group of people. I do think it's a shame that so many people can't seem to accept people who deviate from the ''norm''. Despite everything Ive said, I would not personally agree with a baby being terminated purely because it's trans. Or gay for that matter. Even though I myself wish that I was.

 

I didn't mean this in that way - I just meant that some people finds things difficult, when someone else might not.

I would have no idea how it feels to be brought up in the wrong body, so would never say it's enjoyable.

Yes, just as you cannot be certain that parents would prefer their child to be 'normal'.

Not everyone needs to have a normal straight child in order to be happy. I don't agree. Yes, some parents wouldn't like it, but not all would rather they be different.And just because they might not have chosen it, that isn't to say that they would have preferred they never be born.