Free Tibet - Boycott China Olympics!

Discussion in 'China' started by skip, Mar 15, 2008.

  1. chinaraymond

    chinaraymond Member

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    Ok,i will introduce you a website
    this website was established by a Chinese.and only a few days it has more than 30000 members.and every minute there are commnly more than 5000 people online,some times more than 20000 onlines
    it tells the truth of Tibet and everything about this
    the english forum is http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/en/index.php
    the chinese forum is http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/cn/index.php
    the website is http://www.anti-cnn.com/
    i think you can get a lot from it
    We are not against the western media, but against the lies and fabricated stories in the media.
    We are not against the western people, but against the prejudice from the western society.
    why this website is established?
    it is because those liers hurt 1300000000 Chinese peopple's feeling
     
  2. McLeodGanja

    McLeodGanja Banned

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    Very compelling argument your putting forward there.
     
  3. McLeodGanja

    McLeodGanja Banned

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7346938.stm

    The Chinese authorities put to death at least 470 people last year, but probably killed many more, human rights group Amnesty International has said.

    Amnesty said the hidden extent of executions in China, where figures are secret, might mean the Olympic host was behind the bulk of them worldwide.

    "The veil of secrecy surrounding the death penalty must be lifted," it said.
    At least 1,252 people are known to have been executed in 24 countries in 2007, a slight drop on the previous year.

    Just five countries - China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the US - were responsible for 88% of known executions in the world, Amnesty said.

    About 3,347 people were sentenced to death in 51 nations last year and up to 27,500 people are now estimated to be on death row.
     
  4. Ellenz

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    Hi guys, if you think Tibet's situation now is not good under Chinese CCP rule, then old Tibet under Dalai Lama's time was even worse. Please read this academic report on Tibet:

    http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
     
  5. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

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    We're not saying that Tibet should go back to what it was before, and that is not what would happen if China returned power. The lesser of two evils is still evil.
     
  6. Ellenz

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  8. Piney

    Piney Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Have Taiwanese Athletes been invited to the games?


    It would be a nice goodwill gesture on the part of China to do so!
     
  9. Ellenz

    Ellenz Member

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    Taiwanese athletes will go to Beijing Olympics under name "Taipei China".
     
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  13. woodsman

    woodsman Senior Member

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    I see a lot of complaints on this thread by Chinese concerning the Tibetan violence. What about all the violence committed by the Chinese against the Tibetans for more years than I'd care to count?

    Tibet is an opressed nation, held captive by totalitarian empire. The people have every right to fight back in their own defense.

    As for the Dalai Lama, he is a man of peace. The propogation of peace worldwide has been his lifetime goal and his efforts on that front have been the halmarks of his political career.

    But even men of peace can advocate the taking up of arms in their own defense or in the defense of their people. People have a right to survival. It is the most basic of all human rights, but is a right frequently violated by China in its opression of Tibet.

    I am in no way advocating violence, but you must keep in mind that the Tibetan people have come to point where their survival is dependent on their personal defense and the defense of their nation.

    No one can rightfully fault them for standing up against their opressors.
     
  14. Ellenz

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    Hi have you read carefully about Tibet history? And all the links I gave above? If you read all of them, you will find the answer.

    Chinese government gave 95% population slaves free from Dalai Lama's old Tibet, took away power, land and slaves from 5% population monks and upper class slave owners, who rebelled and failed and fled to India.

    Do you believe those slave owners and their overseas born young generation would say anything good about Chinese government? They said Chinese killed 1.2 million Tibetans after 1959. The fact is in 1959, the population of Tibetan was 1.19 million and now Tibetan's population is 6 million. How dare they lie so big?

    Facts about Tibet:

    1. The life expectancy in Tibet has almost double in the past half century, from 35.5 years old in 1951 to 67 years in 2004.

    2. The mortality rate in Tibet had fallen from 28 per thousand in 1951 to 6.9 per thousand in 1998.

    3. The infant mortality rate in Tibet fallen from 430 per thousand in 1951 to 24.38 per thousand in 2006.

    4. In old Tibet, there were no schools in modern sense. By the end of 2004, there were 1040 schools.

    5. The attendance rate of school-age in Tibet was 2% in 1951 to 94.7% in 2004.

    6. The illiteracy rate of the youth and middle aged in Tibet was 95% in 1951 to 22% in 2004.

    Tibetans' life has been approved lots under CCP government's rule, please don't use individual case to cover the whole truth.

    Have you ever heard any country pay salary to monks? Chinese government pay salary to 46000 monks in Tibet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efnN...feature=related

    westerners don't know what they are talking about. Free Tibet? or Free Nepal? :)
     
  15. Ellenz

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  16. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

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    Ellenz, I hate to break it to you man, but you do know the CCP censors the truth from you. Ever heard of the great firewall of China? Probably not actually.
     
  17. Ellenz

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    Hi Finnaz, I had lived in China for 35 years. I read English news and Chinese news every day. I visit Tibet Exile government's website very often.
    http://www.xizang-zhiye.org
    http://www.tibetalk.com

    I think I know China including Tibet much better than those western people never been to China. I know exactly what Chinese government's privilege policies on minority nations in China.

    When western people think about monks, they probably have the images in their mind of Christian monks who work to support themselves, set up hospitals, schools, help poor people, old people and orphans. But Tibetan monks are different stories. They don't work, they are bloodsuckers. In old Tibet they sucked slaves' blood. Now they screw Tibetan working people including old people and women, plus han Chinese tax payers. If you care about Tibetans, think about 95% population normal Tibetans, don't always glue eyes on those few trouble maker politics monks.

    Do you know lots of western media reported on Tibet 3.14 riots were lies?
     
  18. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

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    I don't dispute that the Tibetan Monks deserved to be kicked out of power. I just believe that now that has happened. China has to relinquish power back to the Tibetan people and allow for Tibet to move to a Democratic Society. As the Dalai Lama has now said he would allow it to do (I know you obviously don't trust him, but I very much doubt he would attempt to return it to what it was with the entire world's eyes on him).

    I know a fair number of Chinese people (that have lived in China for a prolonged period of time.) who are pro-Tibet as well.
     
  19. Ellenz

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    Hi Finnaz, good, I think you already accept that Tibetan monks are not angles. Do you think religion plus politics will lead democracy? Was Dalai Lama voted to get his title?

    Here are the videos can give you some ideas about Dalai Lama's democracy:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5sOm-uQH9Y
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aboblx-0zAs&feature=related
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1dILwsmwCQ&feature=related

    Here are two videos talking about this issue too. The first one is a serious one and mentioned Dalai Lama's middle path. The second one is a joke. Hope you understand French or Chinese to understand the first one.

    http://city.udn.com/3011/2816263
     
  20. McLeodGanja

    McLeodGanja Banned

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    If China has given so much to Tibet, then how do you explain first hand accounts from Tibetan monks in exile of imprisonment and torture? I saw a documentary the other day on TV and this guy was saying that when he was in prison for demonstrating against the Chinese occupation he was so hungry he started eating his clothes, and one day the prison officers fed them soup made from their own faeces.

    So who is telling the truth and who is lying? The Chinese government who is now the world biggest polluter, who routinely incarcerate and torture their own people for following a spiritual movement called falun gong, and who are the worlds biggest capital punishment enforcers? Or the Tibetan people who want to live peaceful spiritual lives without having democracy or capitalism thrusted upon them?
     

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