For or against smoking bans in public places? why?

I agree, even if the way you worded that reminds me of Ayn Rand.

 

food is a larger threat to public health in this country than tobacco and no one talks about regulating that.

 

What Odon doesn't realize is that government subsidizes the tobacco growers. Yet he believes they care about your health. Hilarious!

 

We pay them salaries, put our money into a giant pool, and the government delegates and diverts the cash flow to the Health Care system

And yeah. Each time a shithead smokes a cigarette, gets addicted and has several strokes, the taxpayers are paying for it.

Each time a person has diabetes, heart disease, etc. the taxpayers are paying for it. Quite frankly, we don't want to pay for preventable diseases.

Oh, and UA - Canada is not a Socialist country. We have Universal Health Care based on a two-tiered system. It's not the same as socialist country.

 

government exists to organize the services staffed, and controlled by the people

 

EDIT: Every person that passes through our borders, uses Canadian products, pays duties and levies on our goods and products pays for it. Criminals pay for health care paying their fines and fees to the State.

It's not just taxpayers. That's why I said that the government collectively pays for the tab on health care. Again, it's a two-tiered sytem.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBeUGqeYsQg

 

A bar is going to make the same amount of business it would, if not more because everybody can go to their bar and not worry about getting throat cancer. They'll keep employees working for them longer.

It's a universal health standard that quite frankly, I'm surprised you don't support. It's worse to be exposed to smoke and inhale it than it is to eat Trans Fats, which in my opinion, should be banned from foods.

 

how do these two tiers work? I'd never heard that detail before, and am curious about it (partially because I am looking at moving to canada, I don't mind high taxes, as long as the money is handled okay)

 

Heh.

 

Look you are a nice person and I like you. It is not like you have dangerous ideas like Odon.

Perhaps it is not technically a Socialist system. But the ideas are very Socialist. You have your opinion and I have mine. Differences of opinion are fine.

But if I pay for my health care and I am not smoking in buildings or blowing smoke at someone...

What right does the Government have to tell me I can't smoke outside in public?

 

That's stupid. For centuries tobacco was a sacred Native tradition that was stolen by the Europeans who had no idea what cancer was or the negative associated health risks in smoking inside pubs and bars.

Why should I stay home and drink when I have every right to work in a health & safety risk free environment on someone's private property?

That's why the ban has been in place. Not because people like to smoke in bars for decades, but because people who never smoked a day in their life and worked for decades were being poisoned. Because of the policies of their employers.

You gotta see injustice for what it is.

 

frankly? I am in a police state, I do not have the freedom (for personal reasons, everyone has the freedom to do whatever they want, they just have to do it better than the people who uncle sam is going after for it) to break it, and I do not have the resources to do so, so, I will find one that least offends me, and is good for me, and, if I ever have one, my family.

if I ever lose everything that matters to me, things will be different, but right now, I just want to live, the slavery of my fellow man be damned.

 

to be fair, unadulterated tobacco runs a much lower cancer rate.

 

State health care is socialism, whether a person chooses to call it that or not. It is socialized medicine.

 

Yes, smoking was never a real health problem until the tobacco companies took over and started adding all sorts of garbage to it.

 

It's a misconception that we have much higher taxes in Canada. We pay 7% PST (Provincial Sales Tax) in Ontario on Goods and Services + 6% GST (Government Sales Tax) in all of Canada on Goods and Services. So in Ontario, every time you fill up at the pump or buy a pack of smokes, there is a 14% tax.

Does that seem high?

EDIT: The Harper Government is reducing the GST to 5% sometime. Most likely after the Election on October 14, despite it being his campaign promise last election when it was 7%.

 

I am not really a huge fan of prohibitive laws but i'm not going to lie. Since they have introduced the smoking ban in the UK and Australia it has made going out infinitely easier. I don't have to worry about asthma, allergies and feeling woozy just because I want to go somewhere to drink and dance.

 

OK, what about income tax??

 

Yes, I know.

But see the thing is I do not want to get into the never ending argument syndrome.

You see it never ends and no one is convinced.

I can post this and that, then someone else posts this and that.

I know it is cradle to grave mentality. But there is no way I am going to be convinced any differently or any of them is going to be convinced by anything I say.

Technically Canada is not a socialist country. But the ideas are socialist.

But that is only my opinion. They will see it different.