Food as profit, no longer nutrition

Discussion in 'Consumer Advocacy' started by liveonce13, Jun 19, 2004.

  1. liveonce13

    liveonce13 Member

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    Does anybody agree that potatoe chips, candy, soda, microwave pizza, mcdonalds and all those foods that are made just to taste good are fucked up? That ppl are so sick that they turn things we need into profit? Not only should ppl become vegan to end sufferage of animals but we should also stop buying foods we don't need to put an end to corporate food companies. I also think it's sick the way food is a privelidge, that ppl need to buy it! We need to buy things to live!!!! I find this super scary!!! SAVE ME FROM AMERICA!!!!!!!
     
  2. Strawberry_Fields_Fo

    Strawberry_Fields_Fo RN

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    Companies wouldn't make foods such as the one you are talking about if there wasn't the demand for it. If it outrages you so, blame the consumer, not the producer. And you don't have to be vegan to stop supporting animal cruelty, you can buy free-range and organic.

    As for food costing money...yes, you need money to live. Congradulations, you have learned Life Lesson #1. Farmers need to live too. And in the US, food stamps and soup kitchens are available for people who really can't afford it.

    -Kate
     
  3. MaxPower

    MaxPower Kicker Of Asses

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    Of course! We can't allow all those animals to vote anymore, they're probably the ones who elected Bush.

    I assume you mean "suffering," and that could spark a long debate over whether it is right to eat animals or not, one that I don't want to get into. Like Strawberry said, farmers have to eat too, and if they can't sell what they grow for a profit they'll just pack up and go somewhere where they can make a profit. Plus if you took profit out of the food industry, there would be no incentive for companies and individuals to develop new food, try new plants or new farming methods, or do just about anythign new. Money is the only incentive for innovation, it's a fact whether you agree or not.
     
  4. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    So if we did away with all food companies RIGHT NOW, how would you eat tonight?


    All the farmers around here grow wheat and cattle. Really balanced diet. Oh, but you are vegan...no homemade cheese for you, even if you owned the cow. You need olive trees, nut trees, a HUGE garden that grows year round... that's three places in the US and NOWHERE in northern Europe. Even Mexico has some non-growing seasons, depending on the crop.

    I grow herbs in containers, but have no area to grow the food to put them on.
    My bell peppers haven't flowered yet. I guess I would trade with the wheat farmersm, and we'd all have rosemary bread... but fruit is grown over the Divide, as are potatoes. They have WATER there.
    Tofu is made by a smallish company in Denver, but where would they get the soy beans?
    Soy beans don't do well in Colorado.
    look at maine: what would you grow and how would you store it?
    Ever canned? it's hell. Good result but a LONG hot day or week in the kitchen.
    Dehydrator? Ok, but what about the bioflavinoids that are diminished by preservation?

    You want a revolution? Gotta plan it.
     
  5. Loki84

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    I like the high-fat, high-sugar stuff. I like pizza, curry an dall the other foods which are purely there for taste value, and in terms of nutritional value, are worthless. However, one has to balance their eating. It's not a crime to eat sweets and chocolate every now and then, but eating crap every meal of every day will get you nowhere.
     
  6. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    good news, Loki!
    dal and curry ARE good for you. Some pizza can be, too.
     
  7. Loki84

    Loki84 Member

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    Chocolate is good for you too!

    So i'd bette rget munching!
     
  8. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    Dark Chocolate, my dear....
     
  9. Dalee

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    Sure , I like junk food to.


    I know that what you put into your body causes much of the diseases we have today, especially degenerative disease.


    Thats why i avoid it
     
  10. thespeez

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    Coca cola just came out with a new 'low-carb' soda, which I found out contains aspartame! If their trying to create a 'healthy' alternative, why bother when all there really trying to do is replace one poison with another-This, olestra, saccharin and all the other garbage that's out there. Let's boycott these 'foods' and start buying alternatives- esp. from health food stores!
     
  11. iamwhatiam

    iamwhatiam Banned

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    What is aspartame?
     
  12. Strawberry_Fields_Fo

    Strawberry_Fields_Fo RN

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    An alternative to sugar with negative side effects (not sure what they are though...)
     
  13. eat_some_LSD

    eat_some_LSD Senior Member

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    Apsartame is fake sugar...a phenylketonuric, distantly related to PCP (yes, angeldust). Known to cause cancer.

    Pizza is actually rather healthy, depending on who made it. You've got your dairy (cheese), your fiber (crust), your veggies (tomato sauce, peppers), your meats (pepperoni, sausage)...how could you call pizza unhealthy? It's probably healthier than most of the other foods out there.

    As far as being vegan, well, you're going to end up missing 90% of your diet not eating meats or dairy products. Everything dies at some point or another, would it not be better to put it to use by eating it, rather than just letting it's remains go to waste? It's going to suffer more just rotting in a pasture somewhere than it would being decapitated and cooked. ;)
     
  14. drumminmama

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    Aspartame is in most diet sodas. the bad news in C2 and the Pepsi version is the splenda (can't pull up the longer name).
    I'm still trying to figure that product out. And I interviwed the PR geeks in Atlanta!
    Company has No-carb product (Diet Coke) wants to capture low-carb market. Makes a diet soda WITH net carbs.
    Huh?
     
  15. loveflower

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    dal? i do believe he said 'curry and all the other foods'
     
  16. SageDreamer

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    The best thing to do is to read as much about nutrition as you can. I don't know if things are the same outside the USA or not, but labels on "food" products are much more revealing than they used to be. Take advantage of it!

    I saw a really chilling documentary about American fast food last week--"Super Size Me." It was the story of a man who lived on nothing but what came from McDonald's for a month. He gained weight (lots of it) and messed up his cholesterol and had other problems. He checked in regularly with doctors and nutritionists and one of the doctors told him to get off that diet as soon as possible.

    If you inform yourself, your cravings for junk food will be fewer and less intense.

    I had some health problems last year, and they led me to more or less eliminate soft drinks and junk food from my diet. I've lost 35 pounds, and I've improved my blood pressure and general well being. Every so often I eat something that isn't good for me, but nothing like what I used to do.
     
  17. bellystar

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    I agree with you 100% liveonce13. It's disgusting. All this processed, prepackaged poop is making our planet a very sick place. Organic, free-range foods are available, and we'd all be better off eating them. However, they are not as easy to find and usually cost more...at least where I'm from!!!! As long as people buy the crap, the corporations will keep on spewing it out. It really is up to us, the consumers, to put an end to it.

    Check out this book: Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser
     
  18. Bilby

    Bilby Lifetime Supporter and Freerangertarian Super Moderator

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    If you buy organic food then you are suporting the livestock industry.I have been an organic home gardener since 1998 so I do know how organic food is produced.
     
  19. Fractual_

    Fractual_ cosmos factory

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    i agree whole heartedly, this is an issue way too many people overlook without giving it any thought or value whatsoever..

    and eat some acid, as much as i like your name, you seem very uninformed when it comes to nutrition ,missing 90% of my diet not eating dairy or meat? you have got to be kidding me. can you even tell me what that 90% of my diet in meat is that i "need"??? that is too ridiculous...
    then you argue we should eat whats dying and whats around us and make due with what we have, like people go scavenging looking for dead animals. the meat industry is entirely different than the picture your drawing, its a freaking industry, which means they want the finished product as fast and cheaply as possible without breaking any kind of law(which dont really exist if your curious). the animals, your health, and the environment is FAR from their main priority and i am willing to bet that they dont eat any of the crap they sell you, unless they are a very very sick person.
     
  20. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    1. Those foods that are meant to taste good tend to be the food's most people want to eat because of the fact we have taste buds and they taste good.

    2. People need to make a living, from the farmers who grow the food to the merchants who sell it.

    3. Yea, the whole become a vegan to save animals thing, well, when you show me how why as a species we're not supposed to eat meat at all, then I'll stop.

    4. Well, I could stop buying foods I don't need, but 1. the money would just go to some other company, and 2. the great thing about America is most people can eat whatever they want and not have to live on rice and water like in alot of 3rd world countries.

    5. Well, if you don't wanna buy it, do you plan to grow the apples, oragnes, rice, wheat, carrots, berries and ect all by yourself?

    6. i don't know where you've been man, but it's basically the same system everywhere, not just America, in fact you talk about corporate food companies, Stop and Shop is actually owned by a Dutch company.
     

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