First salvia experience

Hello everyone, this is my first thread so if I'm doing something wrong, just tell me (by the way, I usually speak french so I'm sorry if my english isn't right)

So, I finally had my first salvia experience yesterday and I have to admit I was a bit disappointed...

Here's the story :

My friends and I went to a small boutique in downtown where we could buy some salvia. We decided to buy 10x since I read a lot about salvia and most people recommended 5x or 10x for first times. We also bought a pipe.
We were a bit anxious about it because we had never tried hallucinogenics before... We had a sitter who didn't want to try salvia so she could watch us and keep the experience safe. I first tried smoking and it didn't do anything to me. I smoked once more and it was the same... So I let my friend try and after a few seconds, she fell down on the floor and was laughing hysterically. I was really disappointed it didn't work for me so I smoked again and, once more, it didn't do anything... So I went by the sitter to see my friend and began to feel weird. My arms and legs were becoming really heavy, a "force" kinda pulled me to the bed, I fell on it and began to laugh hysterically too. I couldn't stop laughing, it was really uncontrollable! After a few minutes, we stopped laughing. I was already over. When I got off the bed, I saw the curtain move a little and I was still feeling weird but I knew the trip was over. My heart was beating really fast and my body temperature was high. For the rest of the night, my friend and I were really tired (I don't know if it's the salvia, the laughing or just the adrenaline that exhausted us like that though).

I was saying I'm a bit disappointed because, after all the things I read about salvia, I was hoping for something bigger. I mean, I thought I was going to hallucinate... But it just didn't happen.

The point of this thread is to know why it didn't happen.
Is it because I didn't smoke enough salvia or is it because 10x isn't strong enough to cause hallucinations? Or maybe it's for another reason...
Could you please help me understand, so next time will be better?
Thanks a lot!

 

Bonjour & Welcome to Hipforums,

Not a bad introduction to Salvia. You definately felt some classic effects of a low dose of smoked Salvinoran A.

What you need to do is absorb more Salvinoran A if you want to have a breakthrough, which is a 3-D immersive, hallucinatory and dissociative experience. You were very smart to use a sober sitter.

You can try holding the smoke longer. You can try taking more hits AND holding longer on each one. Try to hold 20 seconds - use a timer. You can buy a small bong (water pipe), put water and ice in it to cool the smoke - this will allow you to hold longer and absorb more.

Good luck!

 

That sounds like what happened to me the first time I tried it. Feeling the pull, laughing uncontrollably though I didn't find anything particularly funny. It's an interesting side effect that many users experience on sub-breakthrough trials. I wonder why? Anyway, not everyone breaks through their first time, but 10x should be enough to get you off. Pack a bigger hit next time, use a butane torch lighter and hold the lighter to the Salvia the entire time you inhale, don't just light it and puff on it like herb. Take as big and hard of a rip as you can without pulling the material through (keep the flame to it!), fill your lungs ENTIRELY with smoke and hold it for as long as physically possible. If you don't start to feel dizzy/extremely stoned on the first exhale, go in for another immediately, don't stop to relax or catch your breath. The smoke will be pretty hot and harsh but fight the urge to cough. It's hard not to break through smoking it like that...

Keep in mind that if you do breakthrough, it will be a completely different experience than what you had the first time. You will be instantly transported to an alternate reality that is so convincing, you won't remember your life before it or even the fact that you smoked Salvia. It most likely won't be fun or pleasant, it's not like you get to sit around and "hallucinate" (I don't even feel right using that word to describe it, it's more like extreme delirium to me) dragons and pretty fractals - you will see things entirely not of this world, or entirely not of your own mind. It sounds like you've read up on it though, so I won't preach anymore. Good luck!

 

Wow, thanks to both of you for those advices! I am pleased to learn that I can "breakthrough" with 10x, so I won't have to buy some stronger salvia!

@SweetBlasphemy : your description of the breakthrough kinda freaks me out but it intrigues me at the same time... But as long as I remember my "life before it or even the fact that I smoked Salvia" after the trip, I'm in!

 

my breakthrough experiences had forests growing out of my arms and legs, gave me an omniscient point of view and i saw into the back of my head, sank into couches, and experienced completely different and strange universes filled with geometric distortions of reality - similar to picasso paintings.

blasphemy gives good advice.
and he's right, it wont be necessarily fun...it's kind of a very weird reality to experience

 

SweetBlasphemy gave perfect advice, everything she said is spot on.

 

Haha, everyone thinks I'm a man at first

lol When I was coming out of my breakthrough, reality was beginning to integrate but I wasn't all the way back, I felt like I was stuck that way forever, which is a common experience with many psychedelics and hallucinogens but usually you can ground yourself and remind yourself it's just a drug and you'll be back to normal in a few hours. The feeling is just so real with Salvia, it's so convincing and unlike anything you've ever witnessed in your wildest dreams that you actually accept it as your new reality. I was hopping around yelling "WTF WTF WTF JUST HAPPENED!" "You're OK! You just smoked Salvia." "Salvia! That's not Salvia! Don't smoke that shit, something really fuckin' weird just happened!" Until I got my wits back, I was under the impression that I poisoned myself from smoking "incense" (that's how the headshops around here have to market it). It definitely will shake you up, it's a wild ride that nothing will quite prepare you for but you'll be fine once you're fully back. You'll even probably feel a very peaceful and contented afterglow for the rest of the day/next few days. The Salvia experience is unique to me in that the more time that passes, the better I am able to integrate it and recall pieces of it vividly, unlike tripping on other things where the essence is lost soon after returning to baseline.

I'll admit, I didn't really do my homework before breaking through and I thought it was going to be a repeat of what happened the first time I smoked it when I was 18, just fall down dizzy and laugh for 10 minutes. That was the shock of my life lol

 

lol that sounds really intense!
seems like something you must try at least one time in your life!
I really want to try it though I'm a bit afraid to get a badtrip... What do you think about that?

 

You don't get a bad trip on Salvia in the same sense as you would on acid or something. It is intense, it can be frightening, but it's mostly just absolutely bizarre. Plus, even though time ceases to matter in Salvialand, in reality the trip is only 10 minutes tops so you don't get that exhausted "oh god when will this madness end!" type feeling after a 12 hour bad trip on like LSD.

I don't know if frightening or terrifying are accurate to describe it, because you don't really experience normal human sensations and emotions the same way you do in reality. The thing I felt most was confusion because as my trip began, I felt like I was waking up from a deep, refreshing sleep. I thought I was about to open my eyes and be in my bedroom but I was suddenly submerged in this strange universe that was so alien and other wordly, yet you swear you've been there before. I felt a sense of some vague presence or entity urging me to do something (which the best I can describe it was that it wanted me to flip backward, feet first through a curly cursive letter M) but I didn't know how to do it and it wouldn't "teach" me, it just kept urging "come on! come on!" and felt it pulling at me in a repetitive, cyclical pattern. There's a weird familiar element to it that you can't put your finger on, I think you experience small glimpses of it during like REM sleep, I don't really know but I think you'll find that you've felt/seen this place before possibly in a strange dream.

Did you ever have an intense vivid dream where your subconscience takes over and just goes apeshit, shows you all this crazy nonsense, you're just watching and thinking this doesn't make any sense, this feels so weird, what the fuck is going on here? It's not really a scary nightmare but it's so strange and you have so little control over it you wake up and you're like WTF was that all about? And you kinda have a weird feeling you can't shake for the rest of the morning... maybe that's just me, but that's the closest thing I can compare a Salvia breakthrough to.

 

for me savia breakthrough are the most terrifying thing I could ever imagine to experience.

I always get the feeling that I'm merging with my surroundings FOREVER, like I get scared shittless that I've permanatly become part of the chair, wall, or bed that I was on before I blasted off, and there is this evil force just pushing you and pushing you into it.

By the time you come out of it, your're surprised you have "YOU' back, rather than a part of a chair.

 

That was part of it too for me, there are so many elements to it it's hard to explain it in one comprehensive report. I was definitely merging/becoming parts of inanimate things, but I didn't see any of my physical surroundings. I assume what I was merging with was the purported letter M than I "saw"... not really "saw" in the traditional sense, you know what I mean. This "M" was kind of off to the left out of my peripheral but somehow I felt it was there. What I saw in my direct line and all around was a huge mass of tannish-greenish tinted swirling, rapidly pulsing or blinking, morphing "fractals" that were made up of small stamps or tiles containing tiny images of scenes and objects that I vaguely recognized from reality - I felt like I was merging with that mass as well.

Also, even though it's a pretty unpleasant feeling, I didn't feel any EVIL... just a sense of alien strangeness with a vague purpose that I couldn't understand. Like for whatever reason it was so important to that vague entity that I go through that letter M, but it seemed so insignificant to me and I couldn't understand why it wanted me to do it, just that it was very important to the entity for some reason. Then it seemed annoyed or disappointed that I couldn't do what it wanted me to do. It kind of gave me this "oh well then just get out of here, you don't belong here and you are useless to me"... then I started reintegrating.

 

salvia is definitely something to experience, but

+1

and i had an "evil" feeling about that mess too, cos during the trip you can realize there's some sort of intelligence controlling everything and it just won't let you get out. i feel tricked by something way way more powerful than me, so yes, evil.

a breakthrough is one of the most psychollogically violent moments one can experience, imo. yet, it is the most curious thing i have ever experienced, it just doesn't get out of my head.

i prefer the sub-breakthrough doses. you don't freak out and have a glimpse of the salvia reality, but unfortunately the full immersion only comes when you do break through.

i'm gonna try it again soon. just waiting for some thins in my life to fall into place, i really feel like i should be in a peaceful state of my mind to do it again, it is very serious shit.

and i didn't know blasphemy was a girl too. judging by your posts, you must be hot.

 

Heh... I'll friend you and you can look at my album and judge for yourself

Psychologically violent, that's a good way to describe it. I feel the same, it was crazy profound, intense, almost traumatic, but not a day goes by that I don't think about the experience or the day in the future that I'll be ready to go back. I would like get in some sub-breakthrough doses in the meantime, but I probably will just end up blasting myself into Salvialand accidentally like last time, haha.

 

The more you do it the better you can kind of gauge the inhalation. But Breakthroughs never cease to amaze me. Everytime I have like a few very positive, easier breakthrough trips and think I like 'conquered' or 'get' the salvia space I end up with an overly confident attitude going into a trip and just get absolutely overwhelmed and blown to pieces.

It truly is amazing on MDMA though I'm still waiting for someone else to step up and try this...

 

i've quit doing Salvia for now due to the sleepwalking issue . . .

i never got a chance or had the guts to do it in combination with anything else.

But, when i was using it, i experienced distinct reverse tolerance that i am sure was more than an improvement in technique. Lower doses were getting me further in, etc . . .

By the time i quit, i was having full on immersive 3-D breakthroughs every single time i took a deep single hit of 5x and held for 15-20 seconds. Without exception.

i did salvia about 15-18 times and never gained any confidence. Other than blast to my childhood past vibe. Other than that, just full on, dissociative, psychedelic, non-Euclidian geometry, ultra bizarreness. This contributes to its continuing appeal to me . . .

 

Yes it definitely has reverse tolerance.

I'm not sure if confidence is the right word but maybe this overwhelming sense of knowing and understanding the salviaspace like one can get with LSD and mushrooms say, so like I would go into my trip with a set of like plans and goals and try to control the space if that makes sense but it would show me something completely unexpected.

Haha I had this like internal metaphorical struggle for a bit with my ketamine self and salvia self. Like both dark spaces but when I got over the compulsive nature of ketamine and compared the two selves salvia self basically sliced ketamine Selfs arms off, ripped out its eyeballs , ate its heart out and shit in its mouth. Salvia is something else.

 

A sub-breakthrough? Sounds like a good transition between the hysterical laughing and the breakthrough... But I guess it's not something you can really control, right?

 

You cAN TRY. Maybe taking smaller hits (with 20x and higher) and holding it in for 15 seconds instead of 30.

But if the salvia entity wants you... it's gonna take you.

 

Could it work with 10x too? Maybe if I take some more or if I hold it longer?
(the thing is I have some 10x left)

 

Yah it can happen with 10x too.