Faith

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by smokindude, Dec 5, 2006.

  1. smokindude

    smokindude Senior Member

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    Faith gives us eternal life. God doesnt prove himself to the world because he wants his children to have faith in him. Thats why he gave us the Bible, and this complex world. We have to think outside the box. We are just humans. We are randomly on this earth. Why? Simply, to do Gods work. Everyone makes it to heaven, or they will have another shot here on earth. We all chose to enter this world when we were in heaven, it was an agreement with our lord. Guys, just have faith and God WILL reveal himself to the one with faith. Plain and simple. Its all in Near-death expiriences. People who say NDE's are just hullicnations obviously dont realize each NDE has simalair things in common. Just read them people, there not lies. People always wonder.."whats it like to die"? Why not know first handed from people WHO HAVE! Reading NDE's will make anyone not afraid to die, and give them 100% knowledge of an afterlife with our lord and savior. PLEASE RESEARCH SOME!

    Here's a nice short one: http://www.near-death.com/sharp.html

    And those who think someones afterlife is what they think of it, read an ATHEIST'S NDE. There are many over the web, not to mention, they have change those Atheists lives. And we all know how impossible it is to convert an Atheist dont we?
     
  2. revolution_time

    revolution_time Member

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    i have experiances that have led me to beleive there is no christen god. you have experiances that have led you to beleive there is. you have faith in your convictions, i have faith in mine. who is right? neither of us. I have experiances with reincarnation. I had a dream where i died, and i definatley didn't go to anything resembeling heaven or hell. there are people who have dreamed god and jesus came to them. to say my beleifs are wrong is insulting, just as if i said yours were, i'm sure you'd be insulted. i think most christians would say your blashphemous for beleiving there could be reincarnation. the bible you say god gave to us has no mention of it. or of having multiple chances on earth.
     
  3. shaman sun

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    Hold up! First off, if you're talking about thinking outside the box, are you sure that is what you are doing? Faith, the Bible and religious experience (be it NDE or otherwise) are all shaped by the culture you come from. Are you so universal then, when you are accurately describing Judeo-Christian views? Not that it is wrong or right, or doesn't have good points, but if we really want to come together, we need to understand what is relative and molded because of culture, and what is intersubjectively grounded across cultures. Also, the scientific aspects of this experience must be at least dabbled into. Critical thought and reason, culture and faith can be integrated.
     
  4. Iconoclast

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    If doing God's work includes a lot of masturbating, then I believe that I am owed some back pay.
     
  5. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    NDE's are not death. Clearly, if the person returns here, they have not died in the full sense. It could be that NDE's take place within the brain - more research needs to be done. At present, we just can't say.
     
  6. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    "faith gives us" a questionable turn of phrase in and of itself.
    is not faith an evasion of the moral responsibility to question?
    and isn't to question a moral responsibility?
    does anyone really believe that the causing of suffering and harm can be avoided
    WITHOUT being honest about their REAL causes?

    if eternal life is "given" by something, will not that something
    give it or not, according to its OWN standards, perceptions and motivations?
    and if that something be greater then ourselves, can those be even immaginable,
    let alone perceivable to ourselves?

    if however, "eternal life" is either nonexistent or a natural condition,
    also very and equaly real possibilities,
    then doesn't the onus fall upon ourselves to create the conditions
    as a resault of our own hand and our perceptions of them
    we must then ourselves endure?

    =^^=
    .../\...
     
  7. squawkers7

    squawkers7 radical rebel

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    Here was Barbara Walter's opinion on religion when someone was interviewing her.



    Why were you interested in covering the topic of heaven?



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    I also found that for myself, since I've had no religious education, it was so interesting to see the different versions of heaven and what life on earth means. To Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, the purpose of life is to go to heaven. To Rabbi Neil Gillman, there is a heaven, but it's more important to lead a good life. To the Tibetan Buddhists, it is a road to nirvana, and the purpose of life is to be happy. To the atheists, the purpose of life is the purpose of life. To someone who has been close to death, and felt that they had reached heaven in a near-death experience, that's as close as we come to hearing someone's vision of heaven. All of these different aspects--even the scientific view, that some people are born with a gene that makes them more spiritual than others--the more we got into it, the more interesting it became.



    What did the religions that you covered have in common when it comes to teachings about heaven?
    First of all, the Jewish religion has a great deal in common with the Christian religion because, as Rabbi Gillman points out in the show, Christianity is based on Judaism. Christ was Jewish. There are religions that are very restrictive or judgmental, perhaps, that say, if you do not believe in our faith, you don't go to heaven. This is very compelling, but it's restrictive. We asked the cardinal if there was sex in heaven, and he said that was one of the questions asked of the Lord. [Catholics] believe that they don't need to have sex in heaven, because there is the joy of the Lord. But for Muslims, everything that they don't have on earth is what they get in heaven. They can drink, they can have sex. All of the forbidden pleasures on earth, you can have in paradise. All of the religions--with the exception of Tibetan Buddhism, which doesn't believe in a heaven--teach that heaven is a better place. At the end of the program, I say that heaven is a place where you are happy. All of the religions have that in common.
     
  8. heeh2

    heeh2 Senior Member

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    note: this was not a speculation of any aspects of any religion

    excuse the blunt observation but.....

    thats the fucken stupidest shit iv ever heard
     
  9. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    The belief in God is a logical belief. There is no need for faith.
     
  10. heeh2

    heeh2 Senior Member

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    i dont understand.....
     
  11. OnlyOne

    OnlyOne Banned

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    louky here, GotGod? or get hip?
     
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