Eyeballing DMT doses.

Looking for a fairly speedy response here. The setting and set just peaked, and SWIM and his friend are ready for their first hyperspace journey (at least, SWIM is, his friend will be smoking weed only).

One problem - no scale to measure accurate doses. So, SWIMs just looking for a general guideline. SWIM has absolute respect for what he is about to partake of, but has no fear - if that makes sense. Therefore, as long as he knows he's taking an average dose, he isn't too concerned about getting it milligram specific.

Would two match-heads worth of DMT powder (yellowish) be sufficient for a normal "trip" when vaporized?

 

yes

but if you are unsure, just put a bit more in, and measure your dose by how many hits you take

 

Disregarding the above post (which was unfortunately expected), as SWIM does not have the funds to purchase a milligram scale at the present moment.

SWIM just tried some a moment ago; tried two separate amounts.. both a bit more than two match heads. SWIM is not sure how to smoke this properly; he is using a lightbulb vaporizer method.. with the straw and so forth. However, he doesn't know how quickly to heat the DMT inside.. it tends to melt very quickly and starts to bubble and spit, releasing a lot of vapor in the bulb. When SWIM tried to do it quickly to see if it would be more effective, he had very mild body buzz and some very mild shadow-effects for a moment but the vapor was so hot it burned his lips with the straw and was too hot to keep in the lungs for long.

The effects were very mild.. I think that his powder is not really very dense, so he's not taking enough. The main confusion is how to properly vaporize it and inhale it so that 1) it doesn't burn and 2) the material works.

 

i dunno about using ghetto 'quipt like that. but ive found that you gotta heat up the dmt a decent bit before hitting it. youll have to live with the harshness. but you really gotta wait until its smokin hardcore, not just spitting and releasing fumes.
when i use the crackpipe, this is pretty easy - put a marble over the hole and heat it up, then knock the marble off and start hitting it.

if you are using a good lighbulb vape, block the air escape and just heat it up until it seems to stablise. like, it should start to build more n more smoke and then stop building up smoke (because the chamber is basically full), at this point, start hitting it real slow.

the pipe should be full of cloudy whiteness, you shouldnt be able to see 'streams' of smoke wafting up

 

Hmm. The chamber doesn't at any point get milky white and "full" of vapor.. you can still see through to the other side. Maybe I'm losing vapor out of the seal I have somehow? When the DMT is spitting and boiling I can see a lot of vapor swirling around, but never enough to fill the bulb. Am I simply not burning enough.. ? Because I am using amounts which seem to be more than a matchhead or two in size.. which I understand to be a mild to normal dose.

I actually burned my lip a bit with the vapor coming through the straw.

 

Gah, this is really frustrating for SWIM.

SWIM has probably attempted 5 "burns" now, and only once did SWIM describe feeling a slight rush which seems to match what people describe low (20mg or so) threshhold trips as.

This past time SWIM put more in, and seems to have the burning technique down - lot of vapor, swirling cloudy interior of the bulb.. pretty thick smoke. SWIM did wait a short bit though, maybe 10 seconds after he stopped burning.. do you think that caused the vapor to settle or evaporate or otherwise stop being "active" so to speak? Should SWIM have just taken a quick hit when the smoke was really going crazy in there?

 

nah look if you arent gettin high then you arent gettin enough smoke into your lungs. id say that you should go get a proper implement for smokin the stuff before wasting anymore. but assuming that you are unable to do this, make sure that you dont keep hitting it again and again trying ot get effects, because of the high tolerance that builds and lasts half an hour to an hour after hitting it and can occur even from a low level of dmt.

so umm why dont you tell us about this lighbulb vape you are using? did you put two straws in their? does it screw the bulb close or do you have elastic or what?

 

SWIM will take a pic and upload it in the morning. It is exactly like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEiJaHlUpyE

One straw, but has a second little hole for air pull-through/escape. SWIM covered both the hole and the straw during vaporization, then uncovered both holes.. placing lips to the straw and sucking in.

 

Check out the first search result..

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="the+machine"+dmt&btnG=Search

Build one of those.. It is by far the best way to smoke DMT IMHO.. Before I got a milligram scale i'd eyeball a dose around the size of a pencil eraser and that would provide me with enough DMT to breakthrough. Once I got my scale I was suprised how close to 50mg my eyeballing was! Do yourself a favor though and build one of those Hennessey pipes. It'll be your best DMT investment.. Good luck!

 

that thing looks cool
might give it a go

 

I've tried smoking DMT every which way and that Hennessey pipe works like magic! Let me know how ya make out.. A bit of advice, when you are drilling the glass out make sure you use a new drill bit, wear thick gloves and make sure you keep the area of glass you are drilling wet.. I did mine with a Dremel and had no problems whatsoever..

-d

 

Ok, so I built one of these out of a Hypnotic bottle. Same general concep. Turn upside down, stuff some steel wool (coarse style) into the neck opening.. punch a hole in the bottom (which is now the top since you have the bottle upside down).. pour DMT inside to get caught on top of the mesh down in the neck..

And heat.

Well, when I try to apply flame to the mesh, it starts to catch fire and spark and fizzle like a sparkler on the 4th of July. It also emits a foul smelling smoke and I am not gonna inhale that most likely toxic shit.

Do I simply have too much wire-mesh in there? How much should I have holding the DMT? If I keep the flame far enough away from the mesh so that it doesn't ignite, the DMT never seems to melt.

 

I don't understand how this can be so hard to achieve. What the hell am I doing wrong?!

I took some of the mesh out, so that the heat would penetrate it better to melt the DMT.. and the DMT did in fact melt some, but I get more chemical vapors off the steel wool than I do the DMT. It smells horrible, like burning metallic sulfurous coating.. I am -not- smoking metal vapors in order to travel hyperspace.

I don't see how during all these tests and trials that I have not achieved more than a tiny threshhold sensation one time.

 

You are probably using the wrong type steel wool.. Dont use regular Brillo, it's way too thin and will burn up and give you the problems you describe! Go to the store and buy a 'Chore Boy' brand scrubber, the silver ones work better than the copper IMHO but either will get the job done.. Much thicker than regular brillo and wont burn up. Crack heads have been using it for ages..

 

i hope your steel wool doesn't have soap on it

or any other weird layer of cleaning power

 

I had torched the steel wool beforehand, so that wasn't it. I think the problem is that it is too fine, and I've heard that even without chemicals on it, fine steel wool can ignite - that has been occuring at times.

However, we made progress. My roomate, a long-time stoner, was able to successfully drag in two hits from the lightbulb, from a matchhead sized dose.. tiny amount. It threw the living room into waving ripple motions, and the rug on the floor was floating. No hyperspace though, but it was a tiny dose. He's also a hardhead - this DMT must be fairly potent.

I think one of the problems using the lightbulb method is that I wait too long to start inhaling.. I wait till I can already see vapors swirling around inside the bulb, and thus I am letting the air inside get too warm. The warm/hot air I'm inhaling is irritating my lungs, and making me cough way too soon.. disallowing me to take big steady hits of it.

With the machine I think my technique is off. I think I might have been putting the DMT in the wrong end and not charging it to the mesh properly. I was simply drropping the DMT all the way down into the bottle through the hole which you suck air through.. letting it sit on the "inside" of the steel wool. However, I am thinking now that you're suppsed to drop it on the outside of the steel wool and slowly melt it (charging it) onto the wool, then turn the bottle horizontal and just waft the flame near the opening as you slowly suck in, causing vapors to occur (at which point you start sucking harder)? Is this right?

Does anyone else here find that this stuff completely numbs the back of their throat? I thought I was choking after one attempt, because my throat was so numb I could barely swallow.

 

You were 'charging' the machine incorrectly.. First of all, get rid of the 'fine' steel wool and get some Chore Boy! Place the DMT on TOP of the steel wool and melt in into the steel wool. Then put the flame near the steel weel and suck gently.. This will fill the bottle. Keep hitting it until you're in space! Good luck..

-d

 

Indeed, I was doing it upside down.

I will be trying this again tonight, and will keep you all posted.. thank you so much for your help thus far. Keep in mind, you're helping a fellow aspiring psychonaut achieve first lift off. Isn't that exciting? You should be proud of yourselves.

One question, guys. I know it's supposed to be a harsh smoke, but does it normally make your throat/mouth go numb? I couldn't swallow last night no matter how hard I tried, for a while - the back of my throat felt really foul and was numb as hell.

 

I've never had my throat go numb but my lips certainly tingle for a bit after a session with DMT..

 

idk bout nn dmt but whenever i have the 5-meo i always put in a little more than i need because ive kindof figured out that one medium size hit is a good dose
anything extra just stays in the pipe and re-cystalizes its awesome