Explain it then..

So, we have this complexed world we live in, and what, it came from nothing? Do you know how dumb that sounds? Ya, the close minded just say "ya evoloution". But no. Theres no way you can get a human from a monkey. Impossible. Or this world with 100000000 species that arnt even identified yet, how are there so many differant kinds? Evoloution? I think not. Even darwin on his deathbed said that his own theory was proven to be false...

 

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Maybe if you picked up a bible and actually gave God a CHANCE, he will reveal himself to you. So i guess books now can tell you what happend millions of years ago right?

LOL DUDE, read the bible.

 

Evolution is happening even as we speak. Did you know that? Researchers have discovered that our generations brains are evolving to be more compatible with digital technology. Here is a good article about this http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2101-2256968,00.html

This is another good website about human evolution
http://www.human-evolution.org

This article is a quick overview of human evolution and were we may be going, it even comes with a interactive option that is really neat
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7103668/

And at last but not least, an article about the fossil was found that links sea animals to land animals. This fossil is believed to be the "missing link" between land animals and sea creatures.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/science/06fossil.html?ex=1301976000&en=76a1b46221b5cc6a&ei=5090

 

Sorry to be a bother again, I was just looking into Darwin (smokindude, eveything about your post interests me) and I have just found out that Henrietta was at Darwin's deathbed not Lady Hope. She wrote about this in The Christian, Febuary 1922. She states that Lady Hope never met Darwin.

 

Well, did you know that 33.3 % of the world believes in God? Do you think this many people would believe in God w/o ANY personal expiriences and sucH?

 

It is true, 33% of the world's population believes in your god but this little fact has nothing to do with your debate on evolution or the Darwin.

 

Yes.

Most of what people beleive they didn't checked it themselves... they just "have faith"...

Besides, you're telling to give God a chance, but that's what human have been doing for several centuries now and look at all the people who died because of religious conflict and people who still live miserably because of it.

God had it's chance, get over it...

 

This kind of thing bugs me. People believing in it doesn't bug me, don't get me wrong there, you can believe whatever you want; what bugs me is that it is based on ignorance and lies and yet people want to teach it in public schools and spread it around.

To begin with, Darwin death-bed confession/conversion story is a lie, period. A popular pulpit-preached lie, but a lie nonetheless. I might as well say "Hey guess what!? Mother Teresa confessed on her death-bed that Darwin was right and the Bible was made up crap."

You can't get a human from a monkey, that is correct. However, over the course of 40 million years you can get a human from a Homohabilis.

100,000,000 species you say? Try 3 billion. So many "kinds" you say? Well the Bible says "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet F14 for him. 19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam F15 to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. 20 And Adam gave F16 names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him." Gensis 2:18-20

How did Adam name "every living creature", many billions of animal species, all by himself? The Bible clearly says that he didn't have any help in doing it. Even if Adam did live the 930 years that the Bible claims he still would have been naming animals at a rate of one every 10 seconds and that's not counting all the speicies which are now extinct and must number in tens of billions.

6. Evolution says nothing at all about the origin of life, the universe, or the planet earth. Evolution explains only the diversification of species.

 

Oh yeah and sorry to tell you this smokingdude but the bible is like 95% fiction.

 

Isn’t it just as close-minded of you to say that god is right and evolution isn't? Evolution is an extremely slow process. Not every kink has been worked out, but it is the best theory we have. Perhaps both sides should compromise. There is evidence for evolution. Maybe evolution is god's tool of creating the life he wants. That would make more sense then saying everything was made at the same time, and out of dirt at that. God saying "let there be light" sounds to me like a child’s fantasy. And isn't it depressing to realize that according to christen beliefs, 67% of the world is going to be burning in hell?

 

Yes! I love the evolution threads! It's so much fun 'cause I'm a bio major and actually took a class that taught solely evolution. Really, if you know about it, you'll understand that there is no way for it to not happen. Beginning of the universe, yeah, whatever, I'm gonna go ahead and say that the Big Bang is more plausible than "god did it."

If all animals were created at the beginning of time, there would be no records of new species appearing. But there are. Fossils would not be stratified by date and separated into different groups of species, but they are.

Oh there's so much more, but I must exit now. Papers to type and all that.

 

Agh, what you guys say make sense, but theres still many question yet to be answered. How are we here today? How is the earth, planets and billions of stars here? It only makes sense that God intended life here on earth. How does every single living thing NEED water to live? How are the compounds, atoms/elements that make us up here mysteriously? Look at the sky, how can something so beautiful exist through a random process? Im not here to preach, just to give opinion because that is what Smokindude is all about.

 

We have proof of the big bang. There are answers to all of your questions, except, where did all the matter in the universe come from? And that is a great unknown. Perhaps your god created it. Or maybe the universe is timeless, having no beginning or end.

 

This is stuff that people have been wondering about for about ever now. But there is no reasn to believe that God must have done it just because we can't explain it all now, the conclusion is a non-sequitur. Nothing that we are able to observe from a scientific stand point suggests the existence of anykind of God being. On a very rough level science works by collecting and examining large amounts of data and making conclusions based on the contents of that data. When not enough data exists to explain a given phenomena the scientific response must be to say "Here's what we have so far, but it is inadequate for the formation of any cohearant theory" When there is no data at all for a certain claim the scientific responce is to say as much.

Let us assume for the moment that there was no data at all to explain how billions of stars got here (there is some data but I'm speaking hypothetically here). This total lack of data would in no way, shape, or form, constitute positive evidence for the existence of God, gods, or any type of creator deity whatsoever. It would in some sense constitute negative evidence for such, but the problem with that is that it would also constitute negative evidence for the creation of the stars and everything by space aliens, ghosts, Darth Vader, etc. . . and all such edivence would logically be of equal weight. To conclude that God exists and created the stars and such based on negative evidence would necessitate the acceptance of all generative claims on the part of Darth Vader, ghosts, and anything else for which only negative evidence existed.

It is for this reason then that we cannot simply say, "Well I don't know how it got here, therefore God must have done it"

 

If christians had had their way in the age of Galileo etc, we wouldn't actually know anything about other planets, or the stars, and I doubt humans would yet have learned to count up to a billion.
The bible tells us absolutely nothing of any value on issues of astronomy, but actually contains incidents such as the sun standing still which clearly could only have been invented by primitive people with an extremely crude and rudimentary idea of the universe.

People now who push creationism today are really no better than the men who burned Bruno, or forced Galileo to recant his true statements regarding csmology.

 

Questions for anti-evolutionists . . .

If there is no variation from one generation to the next, then why don't we look exactly like our parents?

Why aren't brothers and sisters exactly identical in every way (intelligence, talents, temperament, strength, size, health, appetite, etc.)?

If evolution is true, then all life is, ultimately, family. How and why would anyone find this offensive? Isn't denial of this simple idea at least as offensive? What part of "Honor your mother and your father" do you feel you have the right to dismiss?

Which verses of Genesis (the only authority to which a Creationist may honestly refer) tell you HOW God created all of this? Upon what authority do you insist that God's creativity must be limited to your beliefs?

Let's say we exchange all knowledge and benefit from the deepest meaning of the story of Noah's flood for a fundamentalist's belief that it is actually, literally correct. All life, therefore, descends from Noah's ark. The story of Nimrod and the Tower of Babel offers an explanation (with its own deepest meaning) for why all of humanity does not speak some variation of Hebrew, but it offers nothing about the wide range of human variation. Shouldn't we all look exactly like Noah?

Why are we Pigmy, Maasai, Caucasian, Tibetan, Ainu, Iroquois, Aborigine, etc.? If humanity can change that much in the five thousand years that have passed since Noah, then how and why is that not evolution?

Multiply that five thousand years worth of variation (and be fruitful about it) by the 3.5 billion years that life has evidentally existed. What answer did you get? Can you show your work?

And where did Chihuahuas, Poodles and Dachshunds come from?

Now, re-read the first two chapters of Genesis and then at least try to create a better basis for your beliefs about evolution.

And if you just can't believe you can do it, then fine, don't evolve. But please tell me how you stopped.

Peace and Love

 

Great post - just one gripe. Using the word 'pigmy' to designate the Kalahari Bushmen is like calling people of African descent n****rs. They don't like it.
Sorry if that comes on as bit PC - but actually they are very interesting people, with a quite unique culture and language.

 

Oops!!! I am sorry. My error is one of ignorance, not malice, and I apologize to all Kalahari Bushmen. Anyone who can thrive as happily as they do in the Kalahari deserves all respect, admiration and maybe even a little awe.

Peace and Love

 

Ahhhh young minds are a terrible thing to be wasted , thankfully there is still hope for you, here and in school.

Humans (homo sapian sapian) did not come from monkeys. What we have in common with primates (these are not monkeys) is a common ancestor. Think of it like a tree with branches. There was the "common link", then it branched off with humans coming from one branch and primates (chimps, gorillas, orangutans(sp?) and gibons) come from another branch. The "common link" branch goes back very far over a period of about 3.5 BILLION years to one source in the form of a single cell. How the single cell got started is what we don't know. There are theories called Abiogenesis that MAY be one explanation and in my opinion is plausable.

Back to your bible beliefs... Why do you believe in the bible god? Is it possible that your parents do? What about your grand parents? Do you live in the USA? Answering yes to any of these would be a good explanation as to why you believe what you believe. If you had been born in Iraq, you would believe in Mohammad and Allah. If you were born in India, you'd believe in Vishnu and 7 other variations of god. Basically what I'm saying is that belief systems are generally started by location and cultural upbringing. Belief out of popularity is also a factor but not a rational reason. Lets assume for a minute that your god exists, he's someone who all powerfull, all knowing and all loving. With ALL his power, you'd think that he'd be able to convince every single person on earth that he is the christian god. In the 3500+ years since the OT was written, he's only been able to convince 1/3 of the world, not a good track record for someone all powerfull. There was a time when almost everyone thought the sun revolved around the earth and alomst everyone thought the earth was flat. Did this make it true? Of course not. God type beliefs are typically a way of explaining things that civilizations could explain at the time. The more we learn the less a god can fill in the gaps of knowledge. god type beliefs are also a way of explaining what happens to us after we die, a very emotion subject for most people. Its nice to think there is something after death. There is no evidence of this and there is no evidence of a "soul" leaving the body after we die. There is no evidence of a god either.

If you think about it, you are an atheist towards all other gods of the past (and there have been 1000's of them), I lack belief in one more god than you. Many people will make claims of having personal experiences relating to their god, but they ignore the fact that many other people have very similar experiences of THEIR god(s) as well, you all can't be right.

But in conclusion, even if you decide that your god does exist (for what ever reasons) just know that evolution doesn't mean you have to give up that belief. Evolution can be compatible with a god type belief under certain conditions. Do youself a favor and learn evolution. Some others gave some good links, that would be a good place to start. Pay attention is Biology and physics classes as well.

good Luck