why does everyone try to sound so damn eloquent in their descriptions of lsd and thought processes while hangin out with our dear friend? personally i feel like most of the profound thoughts i have on lsd can't be properly translated into words. i think the eloquence is overdone in the effort to be eloquent..and it makes a lot of reading boring to me as a consequence. i can't speak for anyone else.
I think it's implied that any rhetorical attempts are vastly short of what is experienced. For me, if it can be said I will say it. I don't think anyone expects that a written delivery will actually convey much of the trip; in my case it is therapeutic for myself and trinkets of the story help to remind me of what occurred within. In all cases I try to minimize eloquence and tell it as simply as possible, but I fully know that what I write is not as significant to anyone as it is to me. The only thing I hope to convey is that anything is possible with the acid experience and I'm much more eager to read others' stories than to write my own. You can say the same about why all the detail in graphic art related to psychedelia? If one artistic mode is boring to you, you can always provide something more exciting to yourself, or do nothing at all. The point is to help preserve some personal essentials of the trip however that may be done; it's not a contest.
Maybe because some people like to put effort into what they write? Who knows jolom but more importantly I wonder, why this bothers you? Why do the multi faceted psycho/spiritual analytical expositions intended to expound upon the nature of the psychedelic experience one incurrs by subjecting oneself to the influence of the semisynthetic chemical lysergic acid diethylamide, delivered via a documented representation of words in the standard text medium, irritate your position of having the notion that articulation regarding the transcendental is indicative of a weightless written composition which leaves your mind isolated and unsatisfied? :cheers2:
basically because i can't keep interested long enough to get to the good information because all the effort at eloquence distracts and in no way inspires me to stay focused. does it bother you that this bothers me? : ) not trying to throw around any negativity or something. just looking for insight.
i've just always wondered about this. i'm all for increasing your depth..i just always wondered why people tried so hard.
perhaps not..i just mean the effort people put into mystifying your mind with their words..trying to sound like they have the souls of a poet or something. sure explanations that are vivid can enhance the depth of what is being conveyed...but mostly what i read is an overabundance of effort to SOUND mystical and trippy. you know..like everyone thinks they're jim morrison or something.
It's called ego. People like to sound smart and deep. I like concise eloquence myself. In the spirit of haiku. Big words are sometimes right but often times meaning is transcended
Ah I see, so pretty much they have a lack of eloquence in their writing. That is to be expected as one would need to be a poet to decribe something as overwhelming as an acid trip.
Some people are able, or allow themselves, to care deeply about things, and invest significance in whatever they're involved in. Passion naturally leads to eloquence. I feel sorry for anyone who views that cynically. But we're all riding the same bus, and each of us decides for ourselves where we get off. I don't think that people who write poetically or vividly are always coming from a place of ego. I think that if we each are honest with ourselves, some of us will naturally communicate that way, and some of us won't. For me, it feels like words just spill out if I let them, and I usually do, because it feels right.
Usually this 'eloquence' is done because the speaker considers what they are talking about to be more than a matter of this and that. Poetry is our inner language. It reflects the way we actually think - which is in rhythm, with vagueness, with imagery. I sometimes speak extra because I feel that the concept is better understood or related to as a metaphor, or with a romantic image. sometimes it is because the bland way of writing it is not appropriate. it just doesnt say what needs to be said. Sometimes people do this because they cannot actually think of the words in such a dull way. If 'extraverted' language confuses you, it could be because the person is alluding to something that you just dont get, or it could be because you are unwilling to read the words as being said by a person. Language is not just a matter of sharing information, it is also a matter of expressing feelings and relating experiences. It is a big dynamic exchange! it only becomes a problem is the eloquence is too personal or ambiguous. we arent even talking about eloquence here btw, eloquence means to use effective, pleasing language. so you would just call them 'tryhard' eloquents
the problem though is when people try to be eloquent but they dont pass on their meaning in an effective manner. they get lost in their own words, or think what they say makes sense but to the reader who dosnt have the same mind frame as the author there may be a whole core idea which isn't stated or explained.
