Egypt: Two Million Protest Mubarak in Cairo!

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  1. skip

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    Today's estimates put the crowd in Cairo protesting the regime of Hosni Mubarak at two million people! This is the largest turnout so far in a week of massive protests that have brought Cairo and other Egyptian cities to a standstill. Today's protests have been peaceful so far.

    Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish Prime Minister, has finally come out supporting the protesters in Egypt. All this time Turkey's leadership was silent on the protests.

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    It's being reported that many of the looters were actually Mubarak supporters who were purposely trying to make the protesters look like looters, thereby giving the police and military reason to crackdown on the protests. In response, today, there are protesters wearing badges that say "Security of the People", who are watching for troublemakers among the crowd. This is a smart technique to spot those infiltrating peaceful protests trying to turn them violent.

    Rumors are flying that Mubarak has fled the country already.

    For the latest updates see the Huffington Post's coverage here:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/01/egypt-news-today-proteste_n_816735.html

    For Al-Jazzera's excellent live video coverage go here:
    http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
     
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  3. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    I wonder how the military is going to respond. Hopefully there won't be too many deaths or injuries.
     
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  5. skip

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    I can believe Mubarak has fled because last night the very last ISP, the one controlling the Egyptian stock exchange was finally shutdown. No doubt that was the point at which Mubarak and his family & friends had sold most of their holdings in the country... After which he could finally flee. People thought it strange that the major ISPs were all shutdown at the same time, but not that one.
     
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  7. lunarverse

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    Where is he going, does anyone know? Wherever it is, it could certainly mess up relations in that part of the world.
     
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  9. wa bluska wica

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    ^^^ jersey city
     
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  11. broony

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    The people are not going to stop tell he is killed. 30 years of corruption, they want his life.
     
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  13. SunLion

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    Watching it live now, this is big history unfolding.
     
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  15. lunarverse

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    The guy who's in charge of relations between the US and Egypt called the US's support of Mubarak "a farce".
     
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    I'd wager whatever government entity fills the void it will not be friendly toward the US or Israel.
     
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  19. lunarverse

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    Apparently the protesters have set up their own checkpoints to make sure no weapons get into the area. Wow. Very different ideals over there.
     
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  21. skip

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    Yes, this is a very peaceful protest, and amazingly they've been able to organize crowd control on such a huge level. There is much to learn here about how to protest peacefully and how to manage not just the crowds but the security apparatus of the state.

    See, people say Anarchy equals chaos, but this is proof otherwise. People can organize in an ad hoc fashion whatever they need including security. Don't even need guns to keep order! Believe it or not, the rest of Cairo is providing food and water to two million people who are protesting in the streets. That's organized!

    And unlike what others on this website think, this proves you don't need guns or BRICKS to have a revolution. In the past decade most revolutions have been relatively peaceful, with the only violence coming from the state security or state provocateurs.

    This was something Gandhi emphasized, how if people protest peacefully, the state will show itself to be violent against its own people, thus losing legitimacy in the eyes of ALL the people, not just the protesters. It usually marks the end of the state and status quo.
     
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  23. scratcho

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    Here we go again. The US has supported dictators over and over and they're going to be pissed at us when this all shakes out. My gramma used to say "the chickens always come home to roost". Egypt may be the next expansion of the wars. To protect the american people ,of course.
     
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  25. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    This is only after a weekend of no police where massive looting broke out and dozens of people died. People are the same everywhere.
     
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    No Syd, if you bothered to keep up with events, you'll find the looters were supporters of Mubarak, attempting to give the police and military an excuse to use force. If you were really aware of how protests play out (anywhere in the world), you'll know that the peace is usually broken by agents provocateurs of the government to provide an excuse for a violent crackdown on demonstrators. I've see it happen time and time again. As you can see today the PEOPLE have taken measure to prevent this, and that's why there is PEACE today, with 2 million ppl on the streets. There is no looting, so you are wrong.

    And the hundred or so who died were killed by security forces, not the protesters (although there are reports that two policemen were killed, but no explanation of how - possibly in self-defense, probably during the jailbreaks).
     
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    I loved the interview with the prisoners who were freed but wouldn't leave prison. "I will do my time and leave here with my head held high." Or something like that.
     
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    When you have a crowd of people, there are always troublemakers within like police agents provocateurs
     
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  33. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    No I'm pretty sure looters were just looters. If you know anything about human nature you know anywhere in the world where law and order begins breaking down it's near certain looting will begin to happen as angry people take back what they believe is theirs. Yes there's people trying to make a point, but there's always more people who just want to go on a rampage, thankfully 95% of people would like to beat those people over the head, which many did when they started forming local security militias over the weekend.

    Yes there's peace today, that doesn't mean there was peace on Saturday. Looters are always a small fraction of any protests and people have learned from their mistakes, especially now that the police are back on the streets.
     
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    The only police who showed up the past two days are traffic cops. I don't know where you are getting your info from but it's very faulty or you are just making things up to prove your points, which you're not very successful at today.

    If you had been keeping up with the news you'd know that the two ppl who were arrested for looting the Antiquities museum were Mubarak agents.

    IN FACT: The LOOTERS WERE THE POLICE...
    Read here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/01/AR2011020100903.html

    Syd you gotta stop repeating conservative talking points, it's making you look bad, and ill-informed.

    I just LOVE the people on this site who think they know everything about protesting, who make incredibly naive generalizations about all protests and revolutions, when clearly they are wrong.

    From now on you better back up your statements with facts and sources as I do, or I won't allow you to participate here spreading lies and disinformation. That is the role of the government.
     
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  37. TheMadcapSyd

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    Most things being looted are not the national museum, those are just news worthy stories. Also two people in a city of 8 million breaking into the national museum when most things being looted are local shops is beyond irrelevant. It could also just be people connected to the government have the best means to be able to break into a government building and wanted to take advantage of the anarchy.

    Al Jazeera, the police are doing normal policing duties, which include directing traffic, and also protecting property from looters. They make a point the Egyptians seem to have selective amnesia, 4 days ago the police were hated, the police were welcomed back to the streets on Monday with tea and hugs. No one even knows why the police disappeared after Friday prayers, as some think the government told them to withdraw to give the protesters a taste of anarchy, but more think due to the size of the protests on the weekends and how welcomed back the police have been that many police just joined the protesters over the weekend.
    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/01/20111316148317175.html

    Skip, you best learn that this isn't even correlation, let alone causation. See now you need to back up your own sources, find evidence all the looting was in fact an organized operation by the government and not just the forces of human nature, like you know what happened two weeks ago in Tunisia. Looting there kept on going long after the government had fell. People like to loot, Americans like to loot when times are bad, Tunisians like to loot when times are bad, I'm sure Egyptians like to loot too. You can't ignore human actions and history. I don't even get why you would, it doesn't make the protesters look bad. Unless 100% Egyptians are special snowflakes that would never, ever take advantage of a situation for their own personal gains.
     
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  39. odon

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    Can't we agree with: The protests have been very loud and tempers have flared, but overall the protests have been non-violent.

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    relatively peaceful.

    It's a little too rose-tinted to suggest that there has been no violence (and not state security or state provocateurs)...but we shouldn't over-blow the trouble either.

    Cairo residents boarded up homes and set up neighbourhood watches of citizens armed with guns, clubs and knives as looting and violence engulfed the capital.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...oting-engulfs-Cairo-as-Mubarak-clings-on.html

    Gandhiesque?
     
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