Edwards has won my vote.

This dude (I know he's a pretty boy and spends a lot of money on haircuts) but he seems 100% genuine to me. His fight against special intrest groups and corporate money and coctail parties seems to be completely heartfelt and personal.

He's like a Ralph Nader that knows how to speak without putting people to sleep but his conviction seems just as strong and personal as my boy Ralph's.

 

He looks like a used car salesman I wouldn't buy a car from.

 

i have to take edwards seriously since nader threw his support to him. i'm definitely giving him a closer look.

 

Edwards health plan requires mandatory health screenings including mental health screenings. I don't won't the goverment deciding if the way I think is proper or not.

 

i think it would be nice if you'd post a link to some kind of evidence to back up what you're saying...i mean...if you want to be taken seriously.

 

I don't judge the candidates on how they look. Actually, I don't judge them at all because it's not worth the time and effort. Their backgrounds speak loud enough, to the point they really don't need to be judged as it's already a given.

I mean, we know that Edwards attended Bilderberg in 2004, just before being chosen by Kerry to be his running mate. So we know right there he is just an establishment pawn working for his globalist handlers. These people always say the right things, until they take office.

I know a lot of people like Edwards because he looks like a Kennedy, has a nice smile and hair to match it. He says all the things the people want to hear, too, making him a professional politician (bullshit artist). People like this, but not everyone is so easily duped by these people and their phony "I want to help you" demeanor.

You would think people would have learned after having it shoved up their butts so many times, but I guess not. Until people learn that we don't live in a democracy and that the average person really has no say in anything, nothing will change for the better, and that's why the system is set up the way it is. It is made for the people to believe in, because when people think they have a say in the electoral process, they won't resort to mass civil unrest. They will go to the polls every four years like the obedient, well-trained slaves they are, to pull down that little lever, thinking they're voting for change, while they continue to be sold up the river by the same system they think is there to serve them.

 

"Yawn"

 

OK, I can't find a credible link about his manatory mental health screening, but I did yank this off his own website...

This is scary;
Families who lose coverage will be expected to enroll in another plan or be assigned one. For the few people who refuse to pay, the government will help collect back premiums with interest and collection costs by using tools like the ones it uses for student loans and taxes, including collection agencies and wage garnishment.

 

Here you go:

http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/articles/2007/09/03/news/iowa/2441416128df7ed48625734b00143642.prt

http://www.infowars.net/articles/september2007/030907Edwards.htm

You see, socialism is all about managing people under the guise of "helping" them. It's a very old con game that people are still falling for because they have been scientifically conditioned to worship the state as if it's their own personal savior.

Just think, once this mandatory socialized health care is implemented -- and it will be, whether Hitlery or Ghouliani is elected -- you won't have any say in your own personal medical treatment. Alternative treatments will be eliminated in favor of only big-pharma and their toxic drugs. It also makes it that much easier for the Federal government to keep tabs on you and collect DNA samples from every man, woman and child.

The mandatory mental health screening, which is part of Edwards' orwellian proposal, would entail yearly mental health screening for every man, woman and child, and the criteria for these mental health screens will be written of course by the big pharmaceutical drug cartels that people like Edwards gets so much of his campaign money from. If you don't fit the state's definition of "normal" -- that is you question things and have the ability to think for yourself -- you will be forcibly placed on their harmful, mind-altering, psychotropic drugs.

Sounds wonderful, ay?

 

okay, i'll admit...i do not like the sound of that. i understand the need to have everyone who benefits from a system (eg. emergency medical care) also contribute. but i saw what mandatory driver's insurance has done in terms of making insurance too costly for the average worker. i don't think you should be forced to buy anything from a private company driven by profit motive, so i'd want to make sure we weren't going in that direction. if they're going to do universal healthcare the government should administer a self-funded program. that way you just pay the tax, get the healthcare, and cut out the private corporate middleman. but i still don't think my family will ever be able to afford emergency health care under the libertarian plan. furthermore, i don't think the libertarian's give a damn either.

 

Will Edwards making healthcare mandatory really expand healthcare? Isn't the problem the affordability of healthcare? So how will making it mandatory make it more affordable?

 

i found more detail on Edwards' health care plan which answered some of my questions. it helps to read the whole thing.

"Finally: Individual Responsibility. Once insurance is affordable, everyone will be expected to take responsibility for themselves and their families by obtaining health coverage. Some Americans will obtain coverage from public programs like Medicare, Medicaid, and SCHIP and others will get coverage through their jobs. Other families can buy insurance through the regional Health Care Markets. Special exemptions will be available in cases of extreme financial hardship or religious beliefs."

http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/health-care/health-care-fact-sheet/

 

one of your sources refers to your other source, and neither source quotes him as saying any of this stuff. just because you're paranoid that he's going to do something does not mean he will. i understand the paranoia, but sitting around being paranoid isn't very constructive. it won't solve our social problems. i can always find SOMETHING i don't like...we all can. that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to solve our problems rather than running back to the 1950's and beyond trying to escape them.

 

I have no idea what would solve any of these problems; They're all deep rooted.

How can you fight an enemy that you can't even prove, for 100% certainty, that they exist? How can you fight something that you can't see?

 

Well, the last thing this country needs is the government mandating one more thing that it's citizens have to do-what are they going to do if we don't comply, put us in jail? That's the way they deal with everything else.

If the governemnt is so damned concerned about people getting health care, why doesn't it just give insurance to everyone as an entitlelment like the Canadian govt. does? Of course the US govt. doesn't care-it doesn't give a shit about anybody. This is just another excuse to build more fucking jails and fine people until they can't feed themselves.

 

well, apparently what Edwards has in mind is to get everyone to share the cost. those who have employers who can provide insurance will get it there. those who don't will get it from a government program. those who can will pay premiums for it. those who can't won't. those who don't wish to participate for religious/philosophical reasons will no longer get the free services they do now. he also has a plan for reducing the cost of medical services in the states. it's all in the link i provided. i get the feeling no one's bothering to read it though. i understand the discouragement, alienation and paranoia...i really do. but this guy appears to be genuine from what i see so far. in fact, my biggest fear if he's elected is that he might be assassinated. but maybe it wouldn't be for naught. maybe it would finally rouse the drugged sheep to action. hell people, we've got to try something that makes some kind of sense.

 

Anyone ever hear of Nataline Sarkisyan? http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Story?id=4043101

A 17 Year old girl Died a couple weeks ago because of the greed of corporations and in this case (since we are on the subject) a health insurance company.

In today's "Philadelphia Inquirer" I just found out Nataline's Family went on the Campaign trail WITH EDWARDS.

"We have to put a stop to these people," Sarkinsyan, of Los Angeles, said yesterday. "They cannot tell us who's going to live and who's going to die"
They spoke and begged the people of New Hampshire to vote for Edwards. There was so much raw emotion and many people in the audience broke down crying...

There is a reason that the Sarkisyan's are went on the road with John.

This guy (Edwards) is not fucking around anymore. Period.

 

Actually, that's a problem that his plan addresses - with "portability" of employer-paid plans, tax breaks, partial subsidizing of premiums for some, and even fallbacks on Medicare and Medicaid. He also has some good ideas on how to pay for this, and a large part of it is by cutting out the non-productive leeches that have attached themselves to the "healthcare industry".

The thing that makes me seriously consider Edwards as a candidate is that he doesn't just make broad statements, he presents a detailed plan on how he would handle each issue. You can breeze through the "Issues" section on the other candidates' sites in a couple of minutes, but you'll have to invest some time at Edwards' site if you want to understand his platform.

 

We can afford to give everyone pretty damn good health care if we didn't waste all that money on useless wars.

 

Exactly.