Do you feel that Gods expectations are unrealistic?

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  1. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    I was thinking about how God doesn't like homosexuality but does he really expect everyone to like there opposite sex? I was thinking about how there billions of people on earth how can we all expect to be straight? and have two straight parents and the same before them?

    wouldnt this only work in a perfect world?
     
  2. Sam_Stoned

    Sam_Stoned Senior Member

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    If you believe the things that people tell you about God then I suppose it is pretty ridiculas.

    I believe in God, but I don't believe a single thing any human being has told me or written about God. So I just claim to be agnostic because it's easier than trying to explain that I believe in God, but have not the first fucking clue what to make of the concept. Or reality in general, but that's another story.
     
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    G-d dont care what you put your dick in.. but if G-d was to write a bible.. It would say "dont put your dick in a beehive on a sunny day"...
     
  4. The Imaginary Being

    The Imaginary Being PAIN IN ASS Lifetime Supporter

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    He forgives everyone anyways. Since he is such a shining example I would hate him to stoop to to our level and not follow his word.
     
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    besides I put my dick in a beehive,, and while I might be going to hell, It felt really good at the time.. :D
     
  6. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    hell? but g-d loves u..
     
  7. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    The way the nuns taught me, it's not only homosexuality God doesn't like but also masturbation, impure thoughts and every form of sex that doesn't lead to procreation, not to mention divorce. You can find plenty of confirmation in the writings of Paul, which are usually cited only against homosexuality. If all Catholics observed these restrictions, I don't see how they'd ever reproduce. Dating without having impure thoughts? C'mon. A lot of fundamentalist Protestant churches are equally restrictive. The thing I find strange is that these churches attract such big followings when I'd be willing to bet my socks that nobody follows them. Instead, there are lots of Catholics in confessionals and lots of Protestants thanking Jesus that "Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven. " I , myself, think it's harmful to preach a doctrine that nobody can practice and that generates guilt.

    I myself don't think God is nearly as unreasonable as his self-appointed spokespeople. For example, I don't see anything in the Bible condemning "homosexuality" per se, although there are passages condemning specific practices involving homosexual gang rape, promiscuity, prostitution, pederasty, lust, sexploitation, and using each other as sex objects. Should we generalize from these to condemnation of loving same sex relationships? I don't think so. I don't think the people who wrote the Bible had a concept of homosexual orientation, nor do I think we today have an understanding of sexual relations in Biblical times, which almost exclusively involved domination: by men of women, of slaves, of kids, and of people of lower socioeconomic status. Is there that kind of sex today? Plenty of it! Is it wrong? I think so, whether same sex or opposite sex.

    I wonder though if Christians have thought about what homosexuals are supposed to do. It seems to me, there are two choices: marriage and celibacy. I don't think it would be desirable to encourage homosexuals to marry people of the opposite sex, because of the risk that the marriage would fail and kids might be involved. Divorce is a problem enough among straight couples, my Bible Belt state having one of the highest divorce rates in the country. As for celibacy, even priests have problems with that, and they have institutional support for it that homosexuals lack. So I think I'd agree with you.
     
  8. creedlespeek

    creedlespeek Member

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    God isn't getting His panties in a wad over gays. He has real problems other than a few queens.
     
  9. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    I would say group Bee is an exceptional alternative, when wondering in the desert eating manna ..
     
  11. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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    One thing that I've noticed is that it seems young marrried Catholic couples seem to use birth control, but conservative Evangelical type Protestants do not.

    I attribute this to the fact that Catholics are taught about birth control, but taught that it should not be practiced, whilst the other groups are taught absitnence only and do not know anything else until marriage and have loads of children.
    Maybe I am wrong.

    To the OP: In general, I do not think God asks much from us. He asks us to love him, which because we are imperfect and ultimately will slip up from time to time if we do try to love him, express through confession and penance.
     
  12. ForestsEchoLaughter

    ForestsEchoLaughter Member

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    I agree with most of what you are saying. I have not come close to reading the Bible in it's entirety yet, but from everything I have learned I see nothing that prohibits sex and plenty to suggest that God doesn't hate it.

    What he doesn't like is lust, adultery, valuing sex in of itself, objectifying each other (and ourselves) and so on... you said that very well.

    Also sex should be with your husband or wife and be born out of love and nothing else, anything else including masturbation is sinful. By the way, when I say husband/wife I mean your husband or wife in the eyes of God, not necessarily referring to the legal institution of marriage.

    As far as homosexuality is concerned I'm very uncertain.
     
  13. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Practical fellow
     
  14. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    What would be your will for your children?
     
  15. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    sorry dope but please post in simpler terms? I am not gay btw! lol
     
  16. Mr.Writer

    Mr.Writer Senior Member

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    jmt, do you believe in God? I mean, do you actually believe in the God with 'unrealistic expectations' of which you speak?
     
  17. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    If you had children what would you want for them?
     
  18. artsyfartsy

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    God has no expectations of us other than we be ourselves and love God. God still loves and forgives even those who don't know God or have any conception of an omnibenevolent, omniscient being. Sure, God wishes for us to follow God's will and word...but no.1 is love. Perhaps God would be a lot more at ease with a loving homosexual couple than an abusive, hateful heterosexual couple. We don't expect the sun to shine, it just does! Love it, man.
     
  19. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    I would like to decline on this. God has no acceptence of homosexuality.
     
  20. screwwho?

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    We don't live in a perfect world, and such have the luxury of not being perfect, but hopefully forgiven...if that is your belief.
     

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