After years of studying, reading and learning about dmt my pet monkey finally acquired some dmt from his gorilla in law. He was drunk the first time he had it and as he was full of bravado he thought it best to dose on the high side of the scale (he's eaten 600 liberty caps before and another time had 10 dried grams of mexicans and believed himself hardcore to the max). Basically after having what he later learnt to be approx 90-100 mg of spice, my monkey is too scared to that that shit ever again. Forget taking the third toke he was still just finishing off the last lung full on the 6th toke. Sheeeeee it. Basically my monkey saw so much shit he came to believe he'd pissed himself and almost vomited all over due to motion sickness (and probably the 10 cans of carling he'd drank). Yeah yeah, respect the dmt I hear you cry. He knows that now. Anyway. My pet monkey is wondering if he should try again or just get out of the game now when the goings good. Do people honestly really have good times on this stuff or will it scare my monkey again? My monkey wanted enlightenment and instead he was smashed in the brain by a multicoloured uppercut and then drop kicked through a psychedelic maelstrom of intense neonesque hieroglyphics at ten times the speed of light. He said he quite enjoyed the last 5 minutes of it though when he realised he was a monkey again and he was going to live. Basically, should he try again on a smaller dose or should he put his spice in the bin?
Give it another try, next time taking more care about set, setting and dosage! And avoiding the 10 cans of carling ....yuck! And if you dont want the spice, I have a pet monkey who loves the stuff.....
Thanks perilless and fisticuffs for the advice. My monkey has actually tried about four more times since then but he feels a massive fear as soon as the effects start happening and can't bring himself to finish off the pipe. He feels a weird pressure on the top of his skull and the room looks like it's made out of deep brown and beige leather with an Aztec quality to it. He knows full well that after this bit comes the ejector seat feeling of being thrown into a kaleidoscope of Christmasness but he just can't seem to shake the fear. Is the fear always there? Even after these attempts he was left feeling unsettled and unsure whether to try again. He can't understand it cos he thinks nothing of having stupid amounts of mushrooms. He also thinks it might be a good idea just to have a few drinks first just to calm his nerves. Is this advisable at all?
Dmt is one of my favorite psychedelics but it also gives me anxiety prior to every trip pretty much, I would not recommend drinks or any other drugs to ease the trip or mask the effects. I recommend either lowering the dose and work your way up or possibly try it orally with an Maoi and maybe you will prefer Pharmahuasca to the smoked DMT experience.
Thanks mate. Yeah I'll take your advice on board. If I actually build up the courage. I was eager to try pharmahuasca but the idea of it scares me even more than smoked cos I know it will last much longer than smoked. At least when I smoke it I know that no matter what happens I'll be completely back to normal in about 25 minutes. Not only that but I've got a weak stomach as it is and I'm not looking forward to having Syrian rue, even if I do extract it. Is there any kind of maoi that actually comes as a pill in any form? I know your meant to purge anyway as it supposedly gives you a better experience but I'd much rather try and avoid that if I can. Can dmt extracted using nomans tek be used in pharmuasca? Also if I did try it, are there different levels of feeling it gives you cos at the moment I either don't feel it that much or it blows my cerebellum right up my ass. Is there a middle ground at all?
Pharmahuasca's been pretty fun for me so far, assuming you have a mg scale you can dose really small and work your way up, there's definitely some middle ground. and yeah you can use freebase dmt for pharmahausca. BTW I didn't purge when I did it and I took way too much for a beginners dose anyway (120mg DMT + 300mg Harmine). But don't give up on smoking, it can be an amazing and positive experience. Set and setting matter obviously, don't do it at a party while already drunk, etc.
Cheers buddy. I'll have to seriously consider it. I know there's more to experiment with if need be. Here's something a bit weird you might be able to help me with... I've read loads about dmt and ayahuasca, and a lot of people say that there are spirits and elves and other things in there. (I never saw spirits or elves, the closest I saw to anything like that was seeing fleeting reflections of people stood by hexagonal mirrored columns that were spinning insanely fast so I couldn't quite make them out. I also saw golden robotic guardian thingys that attacked/pushed me from the left hand side and told me to get out or made it known I wasn't welcome). Basically do you think that's a clear enough message to not even try anymore or should I continue anyway? Have I upset them cos I disrespected them by going into there world drunk? Or am I being stupid and there all a figment of my imagination anyway so forget about them and try again?
Yeah, try again. I mean, don't force it if you don't want to but know that dmt trips are all very unique and special. Your one drunken overdose experience almost certainly does not reflect the "typical" dmt experience you will have in the future. Like I said most of my experiences with it are generally positive and very enjoyable, and most people would agree.
Yeah ill definately give it another go then. I was well excited for years to get hold of it and thought itd be awesome. But after whats happened it left me feeling deflated and scared to properly try again. When i think about doing it, its amost as though im thinking about bungee jumping into hell. Other than being a bit daft from time to time i consider myself a good person and thought my trips would reflect that. Every other hallucinogen i have is very kind to me. Dmt hadouken'd me in the third eye. I hope its nice to me next time. Cheers dude.
I'd say pharmahuasca is definitely a middle ground in my limited experience. I've used a syrian rue extract for it, the first time I didn't feel much except for a slight body high and a softening of vision. The 2nd time I tried it I smoked some DMT to kick start the pharmahuasca and the hour + it lasted was some similar to like a 4-aco dmt trip or day glo shroom trip. I have not purged either time with pharmahuasca, there are synthetic maoi's but I think only one of them is commonly used for pharmahuasca and I forget the name of it at the moment. I'd probably recommend actual syrian rue opposed to extract as I didn't find the extract that efficient but it definitely was psychoactive and perhaps I didn't time the DMT dosing correctly or something.
The middle ground is definately what im aiming for so ill try this as my next ROA. Even though this is the middle ground im still apprehensious to do it and im going to have to build up some courage before i do, do it. Cheers everyone. I hope my monkey finds what he was looking for and isnt given anymore cosmic roughin up.
Eh, the roughing up is good for ya, makes you think twice about things. Swim did pretty much the same thing you did but with Salvia, now swim's taking it in baby steps and it is pleasant.
