dmt and 5meodmt kill sheep!

http://www.erowid.org/plants/phalaris/phalaris_faq.shtml#7

"I put this as a separate section to highlight it's significance. Remember, if you try these drugs, you are using something that kills sheep. The toxic syndrome is called "phalaris staggers." It is manifested by apparent dizziness, staggering, and tremors, sometimes resulting in death. The syndrome affects sheep that have eaten high alkaloid phalaris. On autopsy, after naturally and experimentally induced phalaris staggers in sheep, portions of the lower brain are seen to be damaged and, oddly enough, tinted blue. The responsible agents are the alkaloids contained in the various phalaris species. There are whispered rumors that phalaris also contain beta carbolines, a type of MAOI. If so,it may be that sheep, in eating large quantities of phalaris, also obtain a dose of MAOI, making the already large dose (pounds of phalaris could easily be eaten by a sheep or cow in a day), of DMT active. However, MAOIs are not required for sheep death. Studies show that controlled injections of pure DMT, at human recreational doses, kill sheep. Why sheep and humans respond differently to DMT is still an open question here. It may be that it is not an important question, but the possibility of human death on phalaris still looms."

kinda weird...

 

yeah, the gramine is supposes to be toxic to human also. I think this is straight scare away bullshit.. you put the grass in a juicer- Makes green shake and Pow. You feel like a million bucks.. As with any drug, vitamin, mineral... you cant do it every day all day... Nothing in the element chain works like that.. its like having a diet of only corn, or just living on butter. Humans need oxygen too, but you dont have a tank strapped to you / cause oxygen is harmful aswell..

 

wow, i never knew about "gramine"
i had to toggle back and forth between the structures a few times to see the difference between it and DMT
that shit's not psychoactive?!

how do you smoke your DMT orison? i only have a glass bong and hot air vaporizer. do i need to buy a "glass dick" or meth pipe (same thing i think)

edit: holy shit! that's (wiki picture) phalaris grass?! i chewed on that stuff as a kid, "pretending" to be a hick or farmer

 

Our grandparents tolds us not to chew on that grass..
Ive smoked it few different way. A pipe with mint or blend is good cause shit its harsh. vaped in glass- metal cracker pipes... Best i get high orals save lungs for my weed..

 

I freaked out on DMT once. During the comeup I experienced something that I would call a seizure.

 

was this one of your heroic doses? how many mg?

and while we're at it, how do YOU smoke your DMT prone?

 

Well, THC is toxic to dogs, when eaten, and psychoactive I'm guessing, when eaten as well, so...

 

No this was during one of my no-one-home LSD trips a while back. Vaped an eyeballed amount in a oil burner pipe. Coulda been anywhere between 30 and 200mg, I was too gone to tell. Took a couple hits, I remember doing kill-hits with it like weed. I was too gone to feel any burn at all from the smoke. Right after a couple hits I started convulsing. My hand started jerking, and so did one of my eyes. Then my whole body was convulsing in a way, and my vision was becoming a white light, from the corners of my vision inwards. I think the other people in the room were just staring at me while this was happening. The rest of the story is a bunch of complex bullshit.

 

i'd love to read about the complex bullshit if you care to share.

do you think the vibrations were a part of the trip, or do you think you were in danger?

 

Setting was fuxed. My girlfriend was asking me to vape the spice for her, and I was way too gone to do this. I attemted, sat back down, and was slammed back into the hell that I had gone through a couple months prior. It was like I suddenly woke up into the exact same state of mind that I was in when I had my first bad trip. This was so startling, because that was the only bad trip I ever had, and I was still trying to figure it out. So of course, this lead to my second bad trip.

 

breathing kills all humans; every human who has ever died at one point breathed


that's interesting though, good post!

 

Sheep are weird animals to begin with...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djfbTCZ5HZg"]YouTube- Pink Floyd~ Sheep (Song 4 on "Animals")

 

I love you guys an all, but it never fails to amaze me the lengths you will go to rationalize your potentially lethal substance use. I don't have much room to talk though, i do it it too.. Atleast we're having fun, right? Quality over quantity.

Maybe a silly question but, could 4-aco-dmt be part of this potential group aswell?

 

its just a little extra oxygen..

 

About two or three days ago someone dosed 25-35mg 4-aco-dmt nasally, and when the come up started to fast and a obvious bad trip was on the way, an abort was sought. Having been sick the week prior, and still slightly congested, subject blew his nose furiously, getting everything out, on examination of mucus, all of it was tinted blue, and also what was scary was there was not a good dose-to-blue ratio, it seemed it has expanded to EVERYTHING, and seemed to shoot out a lot more then was put in. more blue was found it spit, as well the next day. No blue food was eaten, or any for that matter for many hours prior and during the trip.

Thoughts?

Thanks man. But damn, not much good news there =/.

 

Oh yeah... I forgot I said the oxygen was bad, but that if you breathe it, eating its ok..

 

phaze as long as you're friend isn't part sheep, I wouldn't be worried.

 

blue snot and spit sounds very interesting to say the least. i'm not sure what to say though...are you sure that it didn't just LOOK blue cuz someone was tripping?

 

No, I'm positive it was blue, after examination of the tissues in the trash the day after. I thought i read somewhere about oxidation turning RC's blue, but Im not sure were, or even what that means. but it had me quite worried, as the original product was a off-white/yellow color. So something odd happens inside of us. That's why the part of the sheep brain turning blue kinda set off some alarms, esp. because the 4-aco-DMT and the DMT/5MEODMT link.

We speak of death as a distant cousin we will see one day far from now, but when he starts calling and knocking on the doors and windows, its gets real serious, real quick. Be safe guys.