How do you feel about censorship? against it? for it? shield the childrens??? I for one am against all forms of censorship. Period. notice how children will see nudity and make a big fuss over it... yet people in Africa and other more indiginous areas walk around nude or at least topless all the time, and no one cares. Its the human body, we all have one, what's obsene about it? I was discussing this with my bff on a hot summer day while we were biking. I wanted to take off my shirt. i realized something and told him. if he chose to do so, he could take off his no problem, but the LAW makes me wear a shirt. how is that any better than the veil laws in the Middle East?
I'm tired of everybody censoring shit for childrens sake. Although IMO nudity around children is weird and should be censored. But swearing, drug use...if it's dealt with in the right way they'll know better than to just act on 'monkey see, monkey do" drug use, violent images (pics or tv), and swearing doesn't fuck kids up. Shitty parenting fucks kids up
It isn't. Of course, he couldn't take off his pants either. I think that the general idea of what is accepted in this country and what isn't is totally screwed up. Kids can watch endless streams of violence on TV, but if they see a boob, it's dangerous? I happen to think it is much more potentially damaging to a child - and to our society in general - to condone violence than it is to see a part of the human body which, like you said, everyone has and is perfectly natural, without clothing on it. And I've always thought it strange that that only happens past a certain age. Young girls can take their shirts off in public, and no one complains. But, once you have too much depth up there, sorry.
but no one can take off their pants- not men OR women, yet somehow my breasts are more obscene than a man's hairy chest.
Funny. We use children as an excuse for things like censorship, yet in society we could care less about a child's opinion, we view them as ignorant and blind. Its always the same parents that have the "Sit down, shut up" attitude that are all over this censorship stuff. This seems rather unfair. "Lets hear it for the children, but not what they say."
It seems to be a cultural thing to me. I have been in cultures where exposure of the breast or nudity as part of the natural act of going about life (bathing, nursing, sunning etc.) was not a big deal. In our western (particularly American) society it is made a big deal by our media, advertising and religion. It would embarrass me to see the goofy American tourists gawking and giggling at the locals in freer societies. For this reason, although I am comfortable with my skin, I really am not comfortable with the warped minds of the people that would view it. So in regard to censorship, it seems to perpetuate this type of warpedness. And art is a great way to shine a mirror on distorted perspectives so it should not be censored.
I am completely against censorship of any kind. Art is meant to be displayed as it is, and when it's censored, it takes away all the value that the artist put into it.
Yeah, I don't get that. And it isn't like most people haven't seen a woman's bare chest. Past a certain age, I'm sure all men have seen what breasts look like, if not in person then in pictures. What exactly is it that censors are trying to protect? Just because yours work and ours don't, that means they have to be covered up? That makes no sense.
It's because, in the USA at least, our country is run by a bunch of bible-thumping, christian maniacs who just don't want anything that can be misconstrued as sexual. And if our country is not completely run by them, the vast majority of it is.
Which is like the BIGGEST double-standard I can ever think of. I mean, some Christian sects advocate mass-reproduction. "Be fruitful and multiply" and all that. How can they go around advocating having mass numbers of children, and still go around claiming that sex is bad? I was just thinking about that very same thing the other day. It's okay to talk about pregnancy and chlidbirth in front of children and in other public situations, but you can't talk about the act that brings that about?
Agreed. That situation is asinine. The solution, at least in my house as my children were growing up, was to severely restrict the TV they watched. Yes, they do. Research has consistently shown that when children see violent images on television, they immediately become more aggressive and have less of a conscience than they normally do. And you really think it's ok to use drugs around children? You can't be serious ... This again. Constantly whining about religion is just as boring as constantly preaching it.
Whatever happened to that? I did not see a (unedited) rated-R movie until after I turned 18. Now, kids are seeing rated-R movies before they get to Kindergarten. How does that happen? It can't be that the kids are sneaking away to see all of these films without the parents knowing. And yet, I don't want to believe that the parents are actually taking their kids to see them. What's the emoticon code for :shudder: ?
Good question. I think at some point, lots of parents began to treat the television set as a surrogate babysitter, and didn't really pay much attention to what their kids were watching. Children can't be expected to monitor themselves. Personally, I'm appalled at the constant stream of gratuitous violence on television and in video games. The attitude that it's harmless for children to be exposed to blood and gore, but that seeing an exposed breast will warp them is very unfortunate. I don't want to jump on a single-cause bandwagon, but the fact that US is one of the most violent first world societies on earth can't be coincidence.
Blame religious zealots - or blame our overly commercial culture. Here's an interesting article from BBC news about why no one is going topless at the French Riviera anymore. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8178818.stm peace and love haint
When did our culture get so messed up? Television and the media and our music today is so sexual and graphic, and that's ok, that's out there, but americans are doomed to be ashamed of their bodies when everywhere else in the world it's so natural. Our morals and "the american way of life".....so screwed up.
Well, when I was small we had a big fun with my bro to see naked father during his human need in toilet although my mum wasn´t very excited, he had no problem to show his kids how the big guys take a pee. And I haven´t got psychic problems or problems with sexuality for today. It was natural cos everybody looks it´s normal and common thing in life. But I make a difference between nudity/common view on body and medial stuff which came close to cheap porn, sexism and ideas in which body is the product. In art I see again point in asking "what´s the art"? It´s a big size magpie photograph of woman with outspread legs with red blood of animal which is laying on her body and still alive cos "artist" made the biotomy killing act performance? That´s no art for me. That´s brutality and sexual perversity. And I saw these photos as an art in national gallery in one European city. So that´s an example why I´m not announcing I´m against all forms of censorship. Todays art is not only Renaissance nudes but also kinky sexual practices.
In general, I agree that censorship is wrong. I always stood by this with a passion. The human body is beautiful and natural and sexuality is one of the few universal topics that people around the world can relate and connect to, in whatever different ways. To me art is a fantastic testimony of this. To censor one artistic vision and not another one, all because of an unclothed body or honest depiction of human sexuality is simply repression of who we are. That being said, I agree that some art does push the boundaries of this. Nirali has a point. There is a line where art can become brutal and disturbing. When this occurs, it's best not to completely censor the artist, but definitely choose the proper revenue where the art pieces would be better accepted and less offensive to the general population. A national European gallery featuring art that shocking and controversial is bound to deeply offend the taste of more than children and the conservative...
I'm sorry that I don't know enough about this subject to make a meaningful contribution...but I just wanted to applaud Schizo for his keen insight in pointing out how little voice we allow to the smallest American citizens. Society won't even grant them the same deteriorated measure of civil rights we adults enjoy. When I was in high school, I got busted for having two condoms in my jacket pocket (in my locked wall locker). No one made mention of my civil rights being trampled by a school principal who violated my rights against illegal search and seizure. There were no charges filed against the male gym teacher who entered the girls showers while my sister and many others were showering.(Mr. Revenue, Frontier School system) Nothing has changed. Society still treats minors as if they don't enjoy the same measure of rights as adults do. We still allow police departments to brutalize children for skate boarding. We still turn a blind eye to the many girls who get caught shoplifting by off duty policemen and are sexually molested on the way to some fake precinct. see http://video.google.com/videosearch...+cop+vs+skaters+&hl=en&emb=0&client=firefox-a http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/359466/ Before we can drag children into the censorship debate (as our primary concern) we must first extend the Bill of Rights to them.
It's the parents' discretion. I saw quite a few R rated movies before I turned 17, and I turned out quite pleasant, if I may be so bold. Besides, some R rated movies aren't that bad. The ratings people are a bit dense sometimes. This really just underscores a need for balance when you consider what to expose your children to. Fearfully hiding them from the television (some call it sheltering) is just as bad as letting your seven year old play grand Theft Auto. What we really need to do is let kids grow up with a healthy relationship to the realities of this world, and that means watchful moderation.
