Canada could be the first country in the developed world to decriminalize polygamy.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/11/22/bc-polygamy-hearing.html

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do say 'official' polygamy

 

well, good for Canada! i agree with Monique Pongracic-Speier that laws preventing polygamy do not protect vulnerable people... although, personally i am a mono-girl, i don't think the state has the right to tell consenting adults what kind of relationship/s they can have...

 

Its complicated cos its age and gender related.

Yes, there should be protections in place for young girls.

But it is FACT that men die off earlier than women.

So if its some 50 something cult leader that wants a bunch of 16 yr old wives then pfffttt!

But if its a 60 something guy that wants to marry a bunch of 60 something widowers, well then why not...kind of thing really should be legal.

We have a minimum age for momo marriages, why not a different minimum age for poly marriages, say 30 or something

 

See, this is the shit that is wrong with our world...

No offense man, but really... How in the fuck do you think there is the slightest bit of sense in you saying all of this?

Do you think it's okay if it is young boys that is being exploited?

Do you really need a separate law that say you can't marry a bunch of kids?

The fact that marrying underage people is already illegal isn't enough?

Shall we pass a law that says gay people can't marry underage people too?

Once people are adults... whether that is 18, or 50, they should be able to chose who they marry... Without being forced to ask you (or anyone else) if its okay...

I am pretty sure from the exchanges we have had in the past that this isnt what you meant, but it is what you are saying...

So, I hope you choose to reword your response...

 

Awesome, so that means if I marry Cate8 then I can still fuck around then, yeah?

Awesome!

 

more than one wife? why would canadaland do such a horrible thing to it's men?

:mickey:

 

First off... you know the wrong women apparently...

Secondly, if this happens, it will not make it legal for a man to have more then one wife... it will make it legal for people to have more then one spouse.

 

lol i love it when people put their thoughts into numerical order... it implies that they are using a logical path to demonstrate their conclustions... even when they aren't :mickey:

lets give it a try...

Firstly... flaming is boring Tom, assumption even more so... they are the two tactics that dictate that any debate you use them in will be vapid and pointless ........... learn this lesson well :sunny:

Secondly .... well there is no secondly, i don't really care if canadians all get together and sodomise each other frozen eskimo snot.. i was only testing a theory

didn't work to well did it? shoulda tried a thirdly

 

Yes, I should know better then to assume that someone would be posting more then just a troll attempt.

I make this mistake often.

 

thirdly ... choose your forum! an already existing news article about polygamy is hardly a "random thought"

fourthly... the calibre and content of your replies will always be semi dictated by the location of the discussion

E) ... what did i say firstly?

sixthly... why didn't you put this thread in a news/law/canada forum?

 

How odd that you think that random thoughts exclude some things...

I must have missed where it said, don't post in this forum if its about news, poly, canada, or whichever other part of it you think is inappropriate here...

Oh wait, maybe it was just that I didn't (and still don't) care whether or not you think I should post this here.

 

seventhly ...why can't you understand the three C's? content, context and corellation?

eigthly ... that's fucking tragic

ninethly ... don't you realise people put literally thousands and thousands of hours into organising this messageboard so topical discussions could be easily found by those interested in such things?

tenthly... i don't really care where ya posted it either.... i'm just killing time till the eskimo snot freezes :mickey:

 

I would have no issue with this decision being in favour of polygamy. I have no issue with adults making choices that are informed and theirs to make.

I have concerns about minors.

Unfortunately those who often promote or are known for polygamy have also brought a lot of negativity to the attention of law and the public. To be fair I feel that those that have are generally more involved in what we would view as a secular community and that does not necessarily reflect all those that follow this lifestyle.

If this is allowed then there are going to have be considerable safe guards in place so that those who are minors are not forced or coerced. That is my stumbling block with this as with all other things in society, children often are in situations that they can not control and if brought up in a situation accept that as a norm. Depending on the living situation it is not always a norm.

I am not sure if that the free choice or safety for minors could be accomplished as the ones who already do this will then continue to do so and have the blessing of our country to do so.

This is a really complicated issue in that while I do agree that polygamy should be a legal choice I have concern if it does become one.

 

Heat, I love you and all, but come on...

What adults do with each other, has nothing to do with kids... Using the argument that polygamy and child abuse are linked, is just as bad as saying homosexuality and pedophilia is linked...

You HEAR about the cases of child abuse and polygamy, because almost the only time you hear about polygamy is to do with religious cults. That is a media and a public bias, it has nothing to do with the truth.

There are already laws protecting children. Many of them. What needs to happen is the laws need to be changed to not give special consideration to religions in breaking the laws.

 

I totally agree with you and my statement about what we know and hear are usually about the secular communities is very clear. Unfortunately that is who makes the news. I in no way feel that all those who wish to live in these relationships support the views or attitudes of sects. Quite the opposite in fact is what I do believe.

I do not think that there is perversion in a person who wishes to live this lifestyle and I do not think that all children are in danger. I think that when not in a secular community those children are just fine. They are raised by parents who love them, no different than any other family blending.

My concern is for those in a secular community as if this passes it will become almost impossible to do anything to remove them from situations that they should not be in. It already is ridiculously complicated to.

You can not exclude those who are then going to exploit this in their favour. It is the unfortunate part of all of this.

This is not really even just about polygamy. The larger picture is that those who are secular are also the ones who want this to pass so that they are protected when abusing those children.

That is not all those who live a lifestyle of polygamy as we all know.

I have no issue with polygamy but it is used to cover child abuse by sects. Those are the ones that I have concerns about, not individuals.

I feel it should pass and be decriminalized but I also think that then we need as a country to further protect those children with new statures from those who will exploit this law.

 

The laws regarding the protection of children are not limited to only monogamous marriages. They apply in a polygamous household just like anywhere else. It doesn't matter if there are two adults or 26 adults living in a family unit.

It is not even representative of them.

How is it any different then those who use monogamous marriage to do so, or religion, or insanity, or any other excuse? As you said yourself, before you changed it with this last statement... It has nothing to do with polygamy.

And again... Why not further protect children in general, instead of trying to link it to polygamy.

I'm not trying to be picky here Heat... this is a personal issue with me, and being stereotyped because of what people who hold beliefs I consider abhorrent in the first place do (religion), really bothers me.

The only way this will change is when good hearted, but slightly brainwashed people who repeat the false bias that the media presents are convinced to stop passing it on as being linked.

 

I put it on an even keel with "gay marriage." I would have to think marriage is something real, before I thought the legality of poligamy or lack thereof had any effect whatsoever.

Thank God for onions. They keep me grounded. :sunny:

 

I understand it is personal for you and respect that. Given that I ask you the question, If your neighbour, family member, friend was living the same lifestyle but were using it to abuse or coerced their children, what would your reaction be?

I know my reaction would be that those children's welfare is not being considered but if the law then tells me that they are protected by another layer of bureaucracy.

You can not just make a blanket statement about it happens in all walks of life and lifestyle choices. We all know that.

Do not get me started on the lack of support and legal measures that are just NOT there for children already as it is an endless list of children having no protection from ANY adult who abuses them in the majority of cases. That is unforgivable as a society.

Should polygamy be allowed, yes. I do not qualify that. It should be allowed as any other blended family is today and I do not feel that it is harmful to any child to be raised by a village. In some societies and cultures it is a norm and works.

We today all have blended situations and situations that not long ago were considered to be unacceptable and society has and is changing. My sister is gay with children and a same sex partner. I understand about judgments and preconceived ideas.

I have to qualify what I feel as there is a sector within polygamy that wishes to have this decriminalized for the wrong reasons. Given that I then feel that if we also need to address the issues surrounding that. We do not stop it from being decriminalized but we also need to attempt (as that is all that it is) to also protect those who can not protect themselves from a sect that is going to take advantage of this.