Just Curious-Hear in New York and most of the East coast there is only powder Herion, China White. I was wondering what is Black Tar herion like compared to Powder ? How is it sold and what are the prices, and how to you fix a hit of it. I have always wondered what black Tar is like ?
Opium is opium, Black Tar Herion is not Opium it is Herion, that is made in south America manily, Powder Herion is made in South East Asia and the Middle East. I know about black Tar Herion but I don't know nothing about how it is sold, How to use it, The Cost, etc I have always been curious about it !
black tar is heroin #3, the lowest grade h you can buy. lots of people smoke it or mainline it like #1 and #2 h but it is sometimes really nasty shit.
So Dan pretty much Black Tar Herion is Herion that is not broken down as muh as powdered Herion ? I have heard some pretty nasty shit about it, Like it is very easy to get bad abses from it and there are alot of impurities in it that do real bad damage to your veins ?
im just curious, and this might be a dumb question, but what would be the other 2 grades of dope you can get? id guess one of them would be china white but what would be the other and what order would they go in?
the tar is everywhere down here gawd almighty it tastes like shit when you smoke it and leaves some nasty looking yellow blotches on your arm after you inject it it is indeed shit but its all we got
Yeah, we only get the powder shit here in the UK (well in my area anyway) and I've also heard the Black Tar shit leaves some nasty abscess' on your arms, etc. not good. Then again, I've also heard it can be quite strong too, but I suppose that's like any drug.
You got it backwards, dude. read this: to extract morphine you put the "pod putty" into a clean drum with the appropriate amount of water. Raise the temp. until reaching optimum temp. As the "pod putty" redissolves in the heated water more impurities will float to the top. These are skimmed off and discarded.At optimum temp. calcium hydroxide in the form of slaked lime or a high lime content fertilizer is added to leech the alkaloids. the lime converts the water insoluble morhine alkaloid into the water soluble calcium morphenate. The other alkaloids do not react with the calcium to form water soluble calcium salts as does morphine. codeine is an alkaloid that is slightly water soluble and as such some residual codeine will be carried over into the calcium morphenate in liquid. For the most part, all other alkaloids will be carries over into the sludge. As the solution cools the morphine solution is scooped from the drum and pured in small portions through a burlap rice or coffee sack used as a filter. At times, liquid saponated cresol [Lysol] is added to the solution to facilitate filtering. The morphine solution is pressed from the filter/sacks upon finishing the pouring off in order to obtain as much of the yield as possible. the morphine solution is divided into enamel cooking pots and reheated, but not boiled. Alkalinity is adjusted to pH 8.5 by adding ammonium chloride powder to the solution. the pots are then allowed to cool. Within 1 to 2 hours morphine base crashes [precipitates] out of the solution and settles on the bottom of the pots. the solution is again poured off through burlap filters. This time chunks of morphine base will be left in the filters as the solution filters through. The morphine base is removed from both the pot and the filter cloth, wrapped in clean burlap and squeezed to dryness and then sun dried. upon drying the crude morphine base is coffee colored and coarse powdered. Depending on the set up it is either pressed into blocks for transport to off site labs for further refinement or is left as is to be refined on site. This crude base is sometimes further refined into morphine hydrochloride by dissolving in hot water and hydrochloric acid. Activated charcoal [bone charcoal] is added and the solution is reheated and then finally filtered. This filtering is repeated several times and the solution is finally allowed to cool. As the solution cools the morphine hydrochloride precipitates out of the solution and settles onto the bottom of the vessel. This precipitate is trapped [captured] via filtration. Again, it may be pressed into bricks for transport or left as is for on site refinement.The process takes a full day. The next step is the conversion of the morphine base [or hcl.] to heroin base. This step is simple and inexpensive and not altogether time consuming only taking from 4 to 6 hours tops. The morphine base [or hcl.] is thoroughly pulverized and placed into an enamel cooking pot. A glacial acetic acid is added [usually acetic anhydride] and a wet rag is placed over the top of the pot to act as a crude gasket. Over the rag the pot's lid is placed firmly on the pot. The lid is clamped firmly on [or tied on] and the pot is heated for 2 hours at a constant temp. of 85 degrees C. [185 F.]. The temp is absolutely crucial. The pot must never be allowed to boil or it risks exploding. During this heating the pot is periodically agitated by tilting and swirling to ensure a total dissolution of the morphine. After 2 hours the pot is cooled by letting stand and carefully opened. The morphine has bonded with the the acid to form heroin acetate (heroin #1). The next step is to refine the acetate to base. Water is added to the heroin acetate which will be a thick, soup like mixture. this mixture is stirred as the heroin acetate dissolves. Take a clean pot. Fill with hot water and then add sodium carbonate in crystalline powder form until dissolved thoroughly in the water.This carbonate solution is then added very slowly to the heroin solution until effervescence ceases. This will precipitate the heroin base which is then filtered and dried via steam bath. The heroin base will be tan colored and about 70% pure. this heroin base is either packed for transport to an off site refining lab or left as is. this base is known as "Heroin # 2." The next step is to refine it to a commercial product. In most parts of the world that would simply be the brown heroin known as "Heroin # 3" but in S.E. Asia they often refine it as much as possible to " Heroin # 4" which is a fine white powder and currently the best illicit heroin in the world. For # 3 the # 2 is mixed with hydrochloric acid, resulting in heroin hydrochloride. # 3 is made for smoking so they usually add some dilutents and adulterants towards that goal. For each kilogram of # 2 a kilogram of caffeine is used. Optionally strychnine hcl. and/or quinine hcl. are used as well. This wet paste is heated via a steam bath. A t times upoon drying barbitone is added as a potentiator before distribution.The dried product will be large lumps of granular dark brown powder. This is usually crushed and put through a sieve so that the yield resembles grains of rice. This is then distributed. it takes 8 hours for 1 person to refine 1 kilo of # 3. # 4 is usually refined directly from acetate as opposed to the intermediate base [# 2 ]. To the heroin acetate in the pot, add water and stir thoroughly. Next add a small amount of chloroform and again stir. This will dissolve all the colored impurities which will be left in a red, greasy sludge that covers the bottom and side of the pot. The aqueous layer is carefully poured off into a clean pot, leaving the red sludge behind for discarding. In the clean pot activated charcoal is stirred into the aquous solution and is then filtered to remove solid impurities. The decolorizing and filtering of the chloroform and charcoal will leave a light yellow solution. the charcoal is repeatedly applied until the liquid is colorless. In a seperate container sodium carbonate in a crystalline powder is added to hot water and dissolved. This added slowly to the heroin solution until the effervescence ceases. This precipitates the heroin base which is then filtered, then dried via steam bath. Upon drying the powder should be very white. If not white the powder is redissolved in diluted acid, treated as necessary with activated charcoal, reprecipitated and dried. The ultimate purity and colr of the heroin hcl. is dependant on the initial quality of the heroin base. The heroin base is then dissolved in ethyl ether. Hydrochloric acid in ethanol is added to the heroin mixture to convert the base to a slat which then precipitates. The mixture becomes almost totally solid after an hour. It is then filtered and the solids are collected onto a filter paper. The clean filter paper is then wrapped around the crystals and placed on wooden trays, usually over lime rock to dry. The yield is 85 to 95% pure heroin hcl. in a very fine, very white odorless powder. This is copypasta from http://lists.meer.net/pipermail/junk-l/2005-January/000108.html I love H4.
tar is actually the worst form of heroin you can get, the best being ( i forgot the brand name) but its from south afghanistan and its very pure and white with pictures of scorpions on the package, its made right in afghanistan so its not cut in asian countries but shipped right to NA/europe
^ that's not neccesarily set in stone IMO. but i'm not by ANY means an H connosieur. just sort of chip when it's around.
Ya tar is pretty nasty and dirty. I would really like to try the powder you all get over on the East coast. Then again maybe not. The addict in me would really take over. But to all of you guys over on the west coast that do tar I have a question.. I've only done it a hand full of times. and I snort it. How much should be equal to an 80mg Oxy. I get grams for 30 bucks, and only do 1/2 of it at a time. never really got me to feeling like I've done 80mgs of oxy. and have you compared it to the powder on the east coast.
So tell me again, what # H we do up here in the northeast? Out west the tar is # 2? Most of the off white or tan or brownish powder we get over here is # 3, and sometimes if we get really good shit, a white powder is # 4? And obviously 4 > 3 > 2 ?
ive only done heroin twice and it was white/off white powder from new jersey. i would say that one bag of H = ~20mg oxy. i thinks its different for eveybody. i know people who say heroin is 10X better than oxy. i also know people who say that cant even tell the difference. ive even met a couple people who prefer oxy. personally i find them to be similar. i think H is a little more relaxing. i never really got to where i wanted to be when i did H, i guess i would say that H has a higher addiction potential because of being cheaper and that i think it makes you crave it more. idk im not being helpful sorry. i like em both. opiates are all good to me.
^ well see, thats the thing. it really varies with dope, it could be dogshit, it could be fucking straight off the boat from afghanistan. you can never tell until you try. most dope i've had was like 40mgs of OC to 80mgs. but dope is much, much better than OC if its good dope.
I watched a special on MSNBC called "Heroin, Inc" that was done by Al Roker. There was also another special, "Generation RX," that he did and it was mentioned in these forums a few weeks ago. The white powder heroin, or "china white," that is found on the East Coast is actually coming mostly from Colombia these days. I was surprised to hear that but it does make sense because when I lived in North Carolina all we got was black tar and brown powder and then all of a sudden, white powder is everywhere. I always thought that the strongest white powder came from Southeast Asia but now the purest white powder is coming from Colombia. You can go to MSNBC's website and check out both of the documentaries and I also read some DEA Reports online that talked about the huge influx of white powder heroin from Colombia which has really picked up since 9/11. Anyways, thought you guys might find this interesting. -NICU
