There is something interesting with this religion compared to others, you find many religions and sects promising you paradise if you join their group/church or beleifs. We on the other hand, can never ever promise a certain individual paradise. If we did that, it would mean that we are thinking that we can control the will of Allah(may he be exalted) or knowing it and who knows that except the Lord Himself? How can we claim we know that someone amongst us is going to paradise dependless of this persons deeds, we cannot read hearts or minds of people and thus cannot give such a verdict. All we can do is have trust in Allah(may he be exalted) and do as he commanded and seek his forgiveness, for most surely, the kind of people who do this are promised paradise.
Could do that, yes, there will be muslims, jews and christians in hell just as you will find muslims, christians and jews in paradise as well.
Well these are your merits but in the end it all goes down to the Mercy of Allah(may he be exalted), thus no one -not even the prophets- enter paradise with their deeds but through the mercy of their Lord.
Well we believe one gets forgived through repentence, Ive never heard about blood sacrifices though. Say: "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves! Despair not of the mercy of Allah, verily, Allah forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.[Quran]
I believe the torah was sent down, the gospel as well and the scriptures of David and Abraham(peace be upon them) but I do not follow these laws since the different laws replaced or altered each other... But I think I know were your heading, tell me about the sacrifice of Christ, why would Allah(may he be exalted) sacrifice such a righteous man?
i think i may be able to answer this with my still limited knowlege... one pure, sinless blood can wash away the sins of mankind, and because Jesus was the sinless being sent from God, His blood washed away mankinds sins... [if im wrong, please correct me claudia
To pay for our sins. Only innocent blood can wash away sinful blood. Leviticus 3-6 is all about blood sacrfices of animals, because animals are innocent. Since animal blood could only COVER sinful blood, rather than wash it away, a completely innocent man had to be sacrificed (Jesus). Even the OT talks about how the Messiah will pay for all sins of the Earth, it was prophecied that he'd take all sin apon himself ( I could post that prophecy, if you want) That, and to show that he loves us: John 3:14-18 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. It goes on: 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. NKJV Jesus said this.You've got the Gosspel of John, right? OK, now where was the blood sacrifice law changed in the Koran? Curious to know ( I know quite a few passages in the Koran, but not that one...) EDIT: OK, to make it short, look at Burbot's answer.
So wait now for a sec and let me see if I get this right. Allah(may he be exalted) sended him self to make a woman pregnant whom later conceived him self who then started preaching to the people to worship "the other him self" but when the people denied the human him the other him self self had to sacrifice him self so we could be forigiven. Correct? : ) Doesnt the bible say that no burdener of burden shall bear anothers burden(atleast I think Ive read that somewhere in the bible?), why would this man be killed for out stupidity? Is it fair to beat the crap out of a small innocent child because the other ones are behaving improperly? And it appears that he was praying and fighting so as not to become killed, then how can this be salvation?
Correct! Well, it's actually quite the opposite,the Bible says that one SHOULD take another's Burden. Re-read that scripture, That answers the question of WHY he killed him for our stupidity. He also died for us so that all the Messiah prophecies may be fulfilled, including this one: Isa 53 Who has believed our message? To whom will the LORD reveal his saving power? 2 My servant grew up in the LORD's presence like a tender green shoot, sprouting from a root in dry and sterile ground. There was nothing beautiful or majestic about his appearance, nothing to attract us to him. 3 He was despised and rejected — a man of sorrows, acquainted with bitterest grief. We turned our backs on him and looked the other way when he went by. He was despised, and we did not care. 4 Yet it was our weaknesses he carried; it was our sorrows that weighed him down. And we thought his troubles were a punishment from God for his own sins! 5 But he was wounded and crushed for our sins. He was beaten that we might have peace. He was whipped, and we were healed! 6 All of us have strayed away like sheep. We have left God's paths to follow our own. Yet the LORD laid on him the guilt and sins of us all. 7 He was oppressed and treated harshly, yet he never said a word. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter. And as a sheep is silent before the shearers, he did not open his mouth. 8 From prison and trial they led him away to his death. But who among the people realized that he was dying for their sins — that he was suffering their punishment? 9 He had done no wrong, and he never deceived anyone. But he was buried like a criminal; he was put in a rich man's grave. 10 But it was the LORD's good plan to crush him and fill him with grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have a multitude of children, many heirs. He will enjoy a long life, and the LORD's plan will prosper in his hands. 11 When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish, he will be satisfied. And because of what he has experienced, my righteous servant will make it possible for many to be counted righteous, for he will bear all their sins. 12 I will give him the honors of one who is mighty and great, because he exposed himself to death. He was counted among those who were sinners. He bore the sins of many and interceded for sinners. NLT Who else could this have been but Jesus? The Koran says that Jesus didn't die, but Judas for him, which already Makes BOTH the Gosspels,and the Torah wrong ( Eventhough you still believe in the creation story of Genesis, which you try to defend.) And you're right, Jesus didn't want to die. However, he didn't fight either, instead he submitted to the Lord the Father, for His will would be done: Matt 26:38-46 8 He told them, "My soul is crushed with grief to the point of death. Stay here and watch with me." 39 He went on a little farther and fell face down on the ground, praying, "My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will, not mine." 40 Then he returned to the disciples and found them asleep. He said to Peter, "Couldn't you stay awake and watch with me even one hour? 41 Keep alert and pray. Otherwise temptation will overpower you. For though the spirit is willing enough, the body is weak!" 42 Again he left them and prayed, "My Father! If this cup cannot be taken away until I drink it, your will be done." 43 He returned to them again and found them sleeping, for they just couldn't keep their eyes open. 44 So he went back to pray a third time, saying the same things again. 45 Then he came to the disciples and said, "Still sleeping? Still resting? Look, the time has come. I, the Son of Man, am betrayed into the hands of sinners. 46 Up, let's be going. See, my betrayer is here!" NLT Hope this answers most of your questions to the Christian Belief.
Yea you are correct there. I was thinking on a Quranic verse but I did read that its says in OT: "and Moses returned to YHVH and said: 'this people has sinned a great sin and made a golden calf! However, if you wish, forgive them. If not, please blot me instead out of your book which you wrote.' And YHVH said to Moses: 'the one who sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book!" Exodus 32:31-33. I still cant comprehend how God can do something he has never done before, killing good humans for the deeds of the bad. The OT mentions our Lord as one, the bible never uses the word trinity yet people worship Christ, to me it sounds fairly irrational... Claudia, Ive said it before I do believe the bible was sent down as a mercy to people yet I do believe it is not in its orginal condition. Ohh and he did "fight" since he ordered his companions to buy swords and he putted them under guard, interesting... He really doesnt want to die and it says in your scripture that theres this man up there crying "My God My God, why have you forsaken me" is this the words of Christ up there? Claudia, can we agree that God is one, if he is. Can we then agree that we should follow his messangers?, if all his messangers from Noah(peace be upon him) teached the belief in one God and forgiveness through repentence, why would it suddently change? Why are you worshipping Christ even though he didnt ask you to do this?
Christ never ordered his companions to buy weapons, now where'd you get that from? And I already answered your questions in one of the scriptures, I gave you. However, I'll post it again ( Along with other scriptures, this time different things are in bold, and more verses I left in, and edited out. ) : John 3:13-21 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God." NKJV John 6:41-59 The Jews then complained about Him, because He said, "I am the bread which came down from heaven." 42 And they said,"Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, 'I have come down from heaven'?" ...(it continues): Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world." 53 Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. NKJV John 10:25-30 25 Jesus replied, "I have already told you, and you don't believe me. The proof is what I do in the name of my Father. 26 But you don't believe me because you are not part of my flock. 27 My sheep recognize my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one will snatch them away from me, 29 for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else. So no one can take them from me. 30 The Father and I are one." NLT John 10:33-38 They replied, "Not for any good work, but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, have made yourself God." 34 Jesus replied, "It is written in your own law that God said to certain leaders of the people, 'I say, you are gods!' 35 And you know that the Scriptures cannot be altered. So if those people, who received God's message, were called 'gods,' 36 why do you call it blasphemy when the Holy One who was sent into the world by the Father says, 'I am the Son of God'? 37 Don't believe me unless I carry out my Father's work. 38 But if I do his work, believe in what I have done, even if you don't believe me. Then you will realize that the Father is in me, and I am in the Father." John 8:12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life." NKJV John 16:25-17:1 "These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; but the time is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but I will tell you plainly about the Father. 26 In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father for you; 27 for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God. 28 I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father." 29 His disciples said to Him, "See, now You are speaking plainly, and using no figure of speech! 30 Now we are sure that You know all things, and have no need that anyone should question You. By this we believe that You came forth from God." 31 Jesus answered them, "Do you now believe? 32 Indeed the hour is coming, yes, has now come, that you will be scattered, each to his own, and will leave Me alone. And yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me. 33 These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." NKJV John 8:57-58 7 Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham ?" 58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." (he was there before Abraham) NKJV John 5:18-23 18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God . 19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner. 20 For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel. 21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. 22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. NKJV Another thing about the blood covenant: Matt 26:28-29 8 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. NKJV Mark 16:14-18 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen. 15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons ; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover." NKJV Can you heal people by laying hands on them? Can you speak in 'new tongues'? Can you cast out demons? Just a question for Muslims . Anyways, I hope these scriptures answered your questions. ^^; (took a while to find them all, I admit. There are also many more passages in the Bible...) Edit:Sorry for making this post so long, but why, when someone asks you a question, not answer them fully?
"He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one" -Luke 22:36 Thank you for your detailed answer, though I really fail to see how this proves why he should be worshipped.. Claudia, could you like -just to show us your faith- drink some poison and touch some cancer patients ^^ Those verses are excluded from some versions of the bible, the NIV authors claim that this verse was altered or added, hmm.... Ohh and by the way: Want FREE Fire Insurance? Call GOD alone NOW!(according to OT and all previous scriptures)
