fas·cism (fshzm) n. often Fascism <LI type=a>A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. Do you support the united states of america and its murderous racist policies against the world? If yes, than you are a fascist. If you say fuck america as I do, than you are not a fascist. Congratulations. you are a fascist.
they know that going to war in the middle east will stir up racism against arabs in the ignorant minds of its fellow citizens... same thing as peoples blind hatred towards muslims in the US. You cannot deny that more people have turned against the arab world/muslims sense we have went to murder them. but when they are out murdering all kinds of people, they do kill indiscriminately. This might as well be a fucking holy war, regardless of what ann coulter says.
I Accuse You Of Being A Secret Government Operative In Disguise!!! Where Is Your Base!!! Who Are You Looking For!!! Ahhh.
Lemme try to break this down: Last time I checked, dictators don't have to answer to a democratically elected body (Congress) or be elected. And before you go off saying how Bush wasn't elected, let me ask you this: If Bush is really a dictator, then what is the use of voting for Kerry? If Bush is a dictator, then Kerry doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning an election. Why then all the hope and hype over Kerry defeating Bush? I'm not even sure how this applies. Please. Your freedom to post on this forum immediately discredits this argument. There are protests everywhere, the Dems and Greens openly oppose and slander the republicans, same for primetime television (and I don't see Bill Maher's show getting cancelled), and Americans are free to discuss anything they want anywhere they want. If anyone was caught talking bad about Hitler in Nazi Germany, they would be dragged off in the night and never seen again. But you do it daily and you're still around. Again, not sure how it applies. "Belligerent nationalism?" There are plenty of people with no sense of nationalism, and I don't see them being rounded up and shot. As for rascism, I just have to ask, what is the Arab population of Wisconsin? I live in NYC, choc full of Arabs, and the number of hate crimes against them since the wars in Iraq and Afganistan haven't risen all that much. I'd like to know what statistics you're basing these claims on.
Sorry Mui, your cool and all, but Max is right. As much as i oppose a great number of what the US government does, this is not a fascist government or a fascist state, although it really does seem like the US government wants it to be... Peace and Love, Dan
Hallmarks of a Fascist Regime By Skip Stone from Hippy.com One leader who has nearly absolute control of government, despite pretense otherwise. There is no effective opposition to his policies. All opposition held in check through various overt and covert means (although they go thru the motions of being an opposition). Limited public debate about policies. Control over media. Media only reports what government allows it to report. Covert Censorship. Rigged Elections Constant appeals to Patriotism with lots of flag waving. Flags and/or images of the Leader appear everywhere. Those who don't follow along are singled out and ridiculed. Vocal Opponents end up dead under mysterious circumstances (Like Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy, Paul Wellstone for example) Leader passes laws giving himself even more powers Controls the masses through Fear Mongering Scapegoating. Certain class of people blamed for the problems the leader faces, justifying new laws and military actions. Must have an ongoing war to keep people's minds off how fucked their own government is. No real policy to improve the lives of the average person. Leader surrounded only by trusted friends and business people who profit handsomely. Most actions favor insiders, friends and Corporate entities at the expense of the people. Laws that monitor and control business practices are removed. Constantly preaching morality to the masses (to cover their own immoral actions) Government involved in numerous illegal activities, all kept secret through various means. Violates, disrespects or refuses to agree to World Conventions on Human Rights, international norms of conduct, and other laws. All manner of excuses offered. Spy agencies given broad new powers and funding. Government increases covert activities against its own citizens. Citizens are urged to spy on citizens. Many civil liberties restricted or suspended. An incredible amount of blood is spilled, with no obvious benefit except to those in power. Does ANY of this sound familiar where you live? Then YOU'RE LIVING under Fascism! Some well known fascists: Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Marcos, Saddam Hussein, Noriega, Suharto, Sukarno, Pinochet, Milosovich, Bush Please note at one time or another most of these people were either trained or supported by the US government and had numerous business dealings with US corporations.
wait a second... you mean going to war stirs up anger against your enemy? get the fuck out of here! It absolutely is NOT racist...were we racist when the hatred for the british grew after the dec of independence? When we attacked the british in 1812? the south in the civil war? Spain? Mexico? Japan, germany, korea, vietnam, iraq, serbia and the dozens of other coutnries that have been subjected to the US military? The arab world has never been viewed upon very highly by the western world. yes, i'm sure a lot of people were pissed off with the muslim world after 9/11, but i was surprised at HOW little violence there was against arabs and muslims in the aftermath, i expected much more. We arent out to murder anyone becuase of the color of their skin. I think you are woefully misguided and uninformed.
Skip, the only reason I can see for you posting that list here is to suggest that America is a fascist state. Calling America a fascist state is disrespectful to those who really have lived under fascism. I might be wrong, but I can't fathom any other reason for posting that list here on this specific thread, so let's go through it really think. Well the president has to go through Congress, which is elected by the states. No president could possibly rig 200 Congressional election without getting caught, unless you're suggesting that every single U.S. Senator and Representative is put into power by one person. Right now Bush's biggest opposition is Kerry, and I don't think there's much being done to hold him in check aside from the standard political campaigning. If Bush really was trying to keep Kerry in check and seeing to it that he isn't elected in November, then why are you and all the other forumers getting all your hopes up about Kerry winning? Well I debate issues with others all the time, and so does everybody I know. Hell, I'm debating issues right now with you. I debated issues with a friend who is a police officer the other day, and shouldn't it be his job to arrest or report me for debating issues? Which is why the Abu Gharib scandal got plastered all over the news, and why the recent 9/11 report which more or less admits that the war was based upon false pretenses is allowed to be read by the public? I assume you mean the 2000 elections. Well Gore got his re-counts three times in only the counties he wanted recounted, and all three times the re-count turned up Bush. There are plenty of people who don't follow along in this country, especially around where I live, and not one of them is "singled out or ridiculed." Unless you have actually visited the States recently, I don't see how you can make such a claim. Important people for both sides die every day for all sorts of reasons. Just because some of them opposed their current administrations doesn't mean the government killed them. Yeah, Bush gives himself more power then he deserves with the Patriot Act. I'm with you there. Last I checked, there really were terrorists who want to see Americans dead. These may be overblown at times on account of misinformation, but I wuld hardly call it "fearmongering." The leader faced terrorists who are all Arabs and all want to see America destroyed. I don't see how that is scapegoating. People know how fucked their government is, believe me. Americans are dumb, but most of us can walk and chew gum at the same time. The economy is Bush's weakest point, and the democrats will make sure that the public knows about it between now and election time. So every leader who doesn't improve the lives of the average person is a fascist? I agree, Bush has fucked over the economy with poor decisions, but fascist? No. Show me a leader who isn't surrounded only by trusted friends and business people. That might be the one remotely fascist thing about the current administration. Aside form the gay marriage issue, I don't see where else anyone is preaching morality. And Bush only does so because it appeases his voterbase, the Christian right, not necessarily to cover up his actions. Could you be more specific? All governments are involved in illegal activities to one extent or another. Agreed. Yeah, The Patriot Act (I assume that's what you refer to) goes too far. I agree. Could you be more specific? That would happen in a fascist state, bit the rights of the average citizen aren't being restricted or suspended in America. I can only assume you're talking about Iraq with this one. What about the ones who no longer have to live under a real fascist state (i.e. the people of Iraq who now will get an elected government)? Don't they benefit? And doesn't the world as a whole benefit from Saddam being out of power. Not really.
just for the election point u made, watch ferienhieght 9/11. yes it's a documentary and all documentries will sway towards towards an opinion and the will be presented in the way of the editor/director. but it's worth it
as far as im concerned our voting system is a sham... vote for bush vote for kerry what the fuck does it matter in the end... vote for the new wealthy elite to run the country... might as well be a fucking dictatorship.... skip is right.. max can blow me... im living in a fascist country.
if you think this didnt cause any racism go over to iraq... listen to the fascist foot soldiers working for the united states government... watch them as they are delighted murdering arabs, and throwing racist slang at them... go to a conservative board, tell me there isnt racism there. you want hate crime statistics? The gov't wont tell us the death poll in iraq or afghanistan, far as im concerned every 1 of there lives lost is a hate crime, bush is killin for political gain...
If The Silky Way can get banned for saying "There's plenty of room in Africa" then you should get banned for saying that. Care to rebuke the two posts I made on that topic? The soldiers in Iraq are the same people we know here in America. They're our brothers, sisters, and friends, and they're normal Americans. And now just becuse they got called up for service they all become racist monsters who kill for fun? You clearly don't know anyone who is in Iraq right now.
ye, i do... ive seen americans murder the iraqis with my own eyes, talkin shit... actin like they dont have families or souls. fuck that. just trying to ban me so i shut up, rulin with censorship is really fucked up... fascist.
Silky way is a racist fucking jackass, thats why he got banned... i told you to blow me, not because the color of your skin.
A few soldiers killed innocent Iraqis, so therefore they ALL must be fascist monster who kill for fun? Grow up. Have you seen this all firsthand? Or just what they show on televivion? No, I really don't care whether you're banned or not, I'm just saying that since others got banned for far lesser things, you should be trying to make the forums a place for intelligent, mature discussion (i. e. not telling anyone to blow you or making claims without goving any evidence or sources). Whatever your opinion of Silky is, he was an intelligent debater who never posted anything half as offensive as some of the other stuff I've seen as commonplace around here.
Skip has his finger on this issue (yeah. Mui is pretty paranoid, but not without some good reason.) Lets call it "Neo-Fascism." Because that is basically what it is. A new type of facsism where Conglomerates get to dictate, not just regular dictators, and they basically own the dictator. Um, this forum is NOT based in the USA! So that blows that argument out of the water. Try posting something like this on the any of the USA news "forums" you won't be able to.......
