Are Americans Racist?

Has anyone had a job that worked on tips? What was your experience with black people?

 

Teenagers and old people and those really smug upper middle class white men (we all know the type, their car is taking up 2 spaces outside the restaurant) dont tip very well either.

 

Sigh.

 

But they do tip. I worked a delivery job for about a year. I delivered to white people 80% of the time. I remember every white person who didn't tip. I can count them on one hand. The MAJORITY of black people didn't tip. They were PERFECTLY content to have me spend my money on gas to get to them and drop their food off. The numbers don't lie, and if you've worked for tips before, you know you really, really don't want to work for black people. If all your customers were black you'd fucking starve.

Asmo tell me you think poor black people tip as well as poor white people. Or tell me why the disparity is so gigantic between poor white people and poor black people?

 

I never tip. And I am as white as they come. Fair enough, it is less of a custom to do so here in the netherlands.

Well man, maybe they just didn't wanna tip you (I can imagine such a thing easily). But what I wanna say most of all to this sentence you wrote: talk for yourself. You know you really don't want to work for black people. Don't project that on others or just say that about others because you supposedly rarely got any tips from black people.
I guess you would starve in that situation because black people would avoid you if they knew how you thought about them or can easily project that on you by your behaviour, attitude or look (I would too and I'm not even black).

 

I worked door to door sales for 2 days once. One day I spent going door to door in a middle class white neighborhood and one day it was a poor black neighborhood. I would much rather go to the black neighborhood. If the job wasn't the shittiest job in the world and I stuck it out I would have starved going to the white neighborhood. White people stare at you suspiciously through the blinds and black people come out and talk to you or invite you into their homes. I was even invited to a family cook out!

but you know what? My story doesn't mean black people are better than white people. Its just a cultural thing, and tipping is usually cultural as well.

 

also why are you using anecdotal evidence when you condemned it a few posts ago?

 

I did not mean to get personal or to diss you with that former post, Nerd. It is just a thing about reality and how people often see and treat others, while you are overly busy concluding stuff out of numbers, statistics and theories.

 

I have a personal sample size of like 900. You need 30 for a good sample size. When the numbers are 99% white tippers vs. 40% black tippers there's not much gray area. It's black and white, night and day. My black co-workers felt the exact same way as me. You two are ignorant as fuck regarding this, if you do any amount of digging you find out the reality. Meli, it's understandable if you've never worked for tips. Door to door sales are not anlagous to requesting someone to spend gas money to come to you with a product they ordered. You see that difference right?

Asmo, I certainly understand you not knowing, considering tipping is hugely a US custom, and the US is much more of a melting pot. If I might, let's take OP's question into a more broad direction of cultural diversity. Is it a good thing to have different ethnic groups in very close proximity? Asmo how do you feel about the Netherlands' Moroccan population?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzIOf2PwqBs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_MRQ-BTQwU

Yes, yes, more diversity for you white devils! Moraccans and Sub Saharan Africans are no worse or better with their culture!

 

I actually disagree that the US is a much bigger melting pot than the Netherlands (except that it is just bigger in the literal sense ). About morrocans in the netherlands, they are often getting stigmatized by people that think along the same lines as you. They are so often discriminated in daily life by the police or job agencies etc. that especially the youth gets influenced by this negative stereotype. A certain amount also clashes with society of course because of cultural differences. But to say this is the main and only thing that makes some of them lean to criminal behaviour is of course jumping to convenient conclusions. It is just as much how our own society treats and perceives them. One thing seems sure: they are not racial inferior or something.

What I mean about you overly focussing on your theories and statistics: you (deliberately or not) bend everything regarding black people to the theories you are inclined to belief. It seems the tipping thing is a very good example: the fact black people didn't tip you as much can simply be because they on average have less money to spend (just one possibility). You however are certain to connect it to other things because it suits your argument. Understandable but frankly too rigid. Not reliable to conclude things out of with certainty.
When we take in account all of your posts in this thread it seems pretty sure you are doing this deliberately. It comes from biased convinctions about black people. It seems you want them to be racial inferior, although concluding that they must be racially inferior is not certain at all and also not really seems a constructive approach in any way. Which raises the question (again): what is your point with all this? To me it seems you are either a racist yourself or having fun with us while sharpening your rhetoric skills.

 

I'm sure that is based on extensive research and personal experiences :crowngrin: Or are you just basing this on subjective (biased) articles and press talk from populistic politicians (like Wilders) In other words: it is almost certain to me that you are jumping to conclusions again that suit your argument best, about people you never/rarely have encountered in person.
For every example of a criminal dutch morrocan there is an ambitious, productive and integrated example as well. Personally I don't care a lot about all aspects of integration. You should see how much certain white people often integrate in foreign countries.

 

I wish you would do any amount of research before declaring that the US is no more of a melting pot than the Nertherlands. What an incredibly stupid statement. What an incredible refusal to look at any of the data. You are a ridiculous person who does not seek the facts but instead relies on what will make you feel like there's not a problem, or indeed that the problem is white people looking down upon other cultures, coercing them onto criminal paths. That doesn't sound blatantly stupid to you, seriously?

The Netherlands is 85% white Dutch 80.7%, EU 5%, Indonesian 2.4%, Turkish 2.2%, Surinamese 2%, Moroccan 2%, Caribbean 0.8%, other 4.8% (2008 est.)
http://www.indexmundi.com/netherlands/demographics_profile.html

The US is 65% white white 64.96%, black 12.85%, Asian 4.43%, Amerindian and Alaska native 0.97%, native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.18%, two or more races 1.61% (July 2007 estimate)
note: a separate listing for Hispanic is not included because the US Census Bureau considers Hispanic to mean persons of Spanish/Hispanic/Latino origin including those of Mexican, Cuban, Puerto Rican, Dominican Republic, Spanish, and Central or South American origin living in the US who may be of any race or ethnic group (white, black, Asian, etc.); about 15.1% of the total US population is Hispanic

In the US, almost all gangs are made up of black people or hispanic people. The obtuse politically correct in the US like to include hispanics in the white population because it makes multiculturism look like less of a problem.

Do you understand that your crime rates in the Netherlands have risen throughout the decades since 1940 in direct proportion to the amount of cultural immigrants? Do you deny that? I can link relevant data but I'd like to see if you're able to seek the facts yourself first.

 

What I am saying with the melting pot thing is that the 85% of dutch people do have just as much foreign ancestry as white americans. The far majority of them is not 100% dutch in that regard. Also, for both the US and netherlands it counts that not the whole country is a melting pot where it comes to immigrants with other cultural backgrounds than the western european. In the biggest cities there is really as much cultural diversity as in US bigger cities. In most places in the countryside there is often just as less.

About the crime rate thing: it is good to take in account there were maybe not solid or as complete national crime rates before 1940? Also, a lot of other things changed in the world, society and the netherlands after 1940. It is maybe the most changing period where it comes to societal changes, not just because of the arrival of other cultures. Did you look into that? Don't jump to conclusions so fast man. I am not denying anything, except that you are objective looking in this issue. It seems the far majority of the people that were willing to discuss here with you came to the same conclusion about that. Maybe take that into consideration if you value statistics and numbers so much

 

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In The N.Y. Times of Feb 16th, Charles Blow writes about "A national conversation about race" or for your search engine:

A Kaffeeklatsch on Race.
Its a shopworn subject fer sure yet interesting and vital.

I think the political divide is adversely affecting the racial divide. extreme political polarization is impeding racial reconcilliation.

and to a lesser degree, the religious divide is a factor.

 

Here it is anyway. http://www.cbs.nl/en-GB/menu/themas/bevolking/publicaties/artikelen/archief/2005/2005-1666-wm.htm

Non western immigration really picked up in the 1960's when large companies started hiring migrants for cheap labor.

 

Nerd, maybe you should produce a video about this subject called the unconvenient truth and then look how many (and which) people will take it to heart.

 

remembering the year New York City had 2,700 murders. ( around 1990) last year was something like 400.

 

My grand daughter has a black father. i should snuff her out I guess so she don't multiply and bring allo us whiteys down.

 

so did you guys figure out if americans are racist?

 

Here it is anyway. http://www.cbs.nl/en-GB/menu/themas/bevolking/publicaties/artikelen/archief/2005/2005-1666-wm.htm

The Netherlands' non western immigration really picked up in the 1960's when large companies started hiring migrants from Morocco and Turkey for cheap labor.

If you choose to be blind, you can ignore all the various studies that confirm these types of trends and point to the gaps in our complete understanding of the matter.

I'm a white guy. Japan has an incredibly low crime rate. I'm fully willing to admit that if you flooded Japan with 95 IQ white people, they would struggle economically against their 105 IQ counterparts. The resulting economic gap on its own will produce higher rates of crime in the white population. Higher testosterone levels would add even more aggression and crime to the equation. The takeaway point here, and it's a rather complicated, consillience based conclusion, although confirmed from many different angles by many different sources, is that if you're going to be a sentient being on this planet, you want to be as K selected as possible. You want parents who have been naturally selected for their intelligence and innovation and reasoning ability and longevity.

Japanese people are more K selected than
Scandanavian people who are more K selected than
Arab and North African people who are more K selected than
Sub Saharan African people.

Longevity follows this pattern.
Onset of puberty follows this pattern.
Intelligence follows this pattern.
Gestation length follows this pattern.
Twin rates follow this pattern.
Developmental speed follows this pattern.
Testosterone levels follow this pattern.
Brain to body ratio follows this pattern.
Crime rates follow this pattern.

If you are exceptionally good at pattern recognition this becomes more or less a knockdown argument. Once again, it relies on consilience. Convergence of evidence from unrelated, independent sources. The trend is verified again and again and again no matter what book you look at, or what site you visit. Where data is present, it shows certain groups have significant, measurable differences that move them up or down the r-K continuum.

If K slanted countries allow large influxes of r selected people, the r selected people will affect the crime rates of the K slanted countries in a negative direction. The key here is the concept of gangs. If you don't allow enough r selected people into a community to form a gang, the problem will not be nearly as significant. When you get a critical mass of Moroccan youths, a gang will be formed. Latin people and black people are infintely more likely to form gangs than white people or asian people.

People are incredibly slow to acknowledge the genetic part of this equation. It's understandable, and the emphasis is on the cultural aspects which is for the best. Those are the traits which are most malleable. Consider this, though. Allowing that critical mass required to form a gang is equally maladaptive regarding cultural assimilation. If you want black people to study hard and excel in school you're going to have to prevent them from congregating in huge numbers and forming communities that embrace hood culture.

Put a Moroccan in Japan and they will likely be contaminated by the society's work ethic and diligence. Put a community of Moroccans in Japan and the children will quickly find out they are outperformed academically by their Oriental counterparts. They'll console each other, and poke fun at the nerds. Many will likely blame the Japanese for being biased, for teachers expecting less of them. Nevermind they are performing exactly up to the standards of their homeland.

When the Moroccan community has been impoverished enough, many of them will leverage their willingness to commit crimes to acquire the material goods that have been denied them. Every single example of r-K diversity is affected in this way to some degree. This is the debate that's going on in Europe right now. All these K countries are seeing the repercussions of the r influx. They're recognizing the accompanying deterioration of economic health and the rising crime rates. You have to be literally blind or willfully ignorant to not see it.